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  • Eurogamer asked Valve if there had been any progress in helping games requiring kernel-level anti-cheat, with Valve responding that the Steam Machine's expected focus on multiplayer gaming could encou

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  • But that doesn't matter, if they have to play so carefully, they will be placed into an ELO where their "skill" matches, so they won't be any more effective than a real player at that level, then they will be forced to be more suspicious and better players sniff out cheaters a lot better than others. So they wouldn't even last long. This is basically what happens in CS now.

    Smurfs can "pwn some noobs" just the same and get called cheaters all the time. Like I said in the other comment chain, we dont need to prevent people from cheating (endless game of cat and mouse), just make it ineffective.

  • Eurogamer asked Valve if there had been any progress in helping games requiring kernel-level anti-cheat, with Valve responding that the Steam Machine's expected focus on multiplayer gaming could encou

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  • Yes, scanning of it's own game files to detect anything suspicious. It doesn't scan every file on your computer, dictate what applications you can or can't run and doesn't install itself at the kernel level. I don't have a problem with that at all.

  • Eurogamer asked Valve if there had been any progress in helping games requiring kernel-level anti-cheat, with Valve responding that the Steam Machine's expected focus on multiplayer gaming could encou

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  • Good luck tuning your ML to have a less than 1% false positive rate while still doing anything.

    Already exists with VACnet in the largest competitive FPS, Counter-Strike. And machine learning has grown massively in the last couple years, as you probably know with all the "AI" buzz.

  • Eurogamer asked Valve if there had been any progress in helping games requiring kernel-level anti-cheat, with Valve responding that the Steam Machine's expected focus on multiplayer gaming could encou

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  • You're probably right, I can't wrap my head around people wanting to be controlled like that sometimes, wanting such intrusive and dangerous software installed just to play a video game. It's PC, we don't want a console experience. Even Valve that are making these products is making sure you can just use it like a PC.

  • Valve says they want SteamOS to be installable on any PC

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  • You're actually completely lost.

    They have been working on support for their own first party devices before anything else, now they are moving to supporting more hardware. It's Valve, they don't function like other companies, they won't have hundreds of people working on SteamOS for the masses. They want it to work on their own devices flawlessly before anything else, how is that so hard to understand?

    It's not "strange" at all. You're going to go in circles, so I'll leave this discussion here. Good luck out there.

  • Eurogamer asked Valve if there had been any progress in helping games requiring kernel-level anti-cheat, with Valve responding that the Steam Machine's expected focus on multiplayer gaming could encou

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  • It doesn't have to extinguish 99% of cheaters, hell, it doesn't even need to extinguish cheating all together. It just has to make the problem manageable and invisible to players. That's something server side can achieve. I'll take the odd game with a cheater in if my entire PC isn't ransom to some random company.

    If cheaters exist but can only do it in a way that makes them look like a real player, then it doesn't really effect the game anymore and the problem isn't visible to players. You are never going to get rid of cheaters, even at LAN they have injected software in the past. It's a deeper problem than we can solve with software.

    Client-side AC has proven futile over and over again, even today with all the kernel AC. As I already said: most good cheats don't even run on the same device anymore, completely circumventing any kernel (client side) anti-cheat anyway.

    Why be allergic to trying something new? Something that isn't invasive, a massive security threat or controlling of your own personal system.

  • Eurogamer asked Valve if there had been any progress in helping games requiring kernel-level anti-cheat, with Valve responding that the Steam Machine's expected focus on multiplayer gaming could encou

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  • It's practical, VACnet has existed for over a decade. It might not be perfect, but it's a start and any company serious about anti-cheat could take that premise further.

    The downside is that cheaters have to play at least a game before they are detected. Client side stuff is better for initial prevention, but even that's becoming trivial as most good cheats dont even run on the same computer as the game anymore, circumventing all AC software anyway. If your game costs money to play, that's already one of the biggest hurdles, so prevention isn't worth chasing at the expense of privacy and security of users.

    Any downsides from server-side are nothing in comparison to the downsides of client side anti-cheat.

  • Valve says they want SteamOS to be installable on any PC

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  • No, I'm not lost, that's literally the comment you made that I responded to.

    They are working on it, a major software company with the means and funds to infinitely back Linux.

    If you prefer Bazzite or some other OS, that's great, but Valve building and supporting their own distribution is a good thing for more mainstream adoption of Linux.

    Maybe English isn't your first language, so you didn't mean exactly what you said?

  • Eurogamer asked Valve if there had been any progress in helping games requiring kernel-level anti-cheat, with Valve responding that the Steam Machine's expected focus on multiplayer gaming could encou

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  • The burden should be on the developers and a server side solution. No PC should be invaded with software to stop cheating. It's cat and mouse anyway with client side detection, by chasing it so hard they are just incentivizing the creation of less and less detectable cheats.

    The whole "its an untampered system" thing doesnt work. It's like Secure Boot now randomly being required in games. No user should have to enable or disable anything like that just to run a game. It's their device, they should have the freedom to do what they want and still run an application.

    I think the invasion of bots in games is ruining them personally, no matter how old I get, or how bad I get at them, I still want to play against real players. I wouldnt mind a mode with just AI for people, but they should never be mixed in with real players.

  • Eurogamer asked Valve if there had been any progress in helping games requiring kernel-level anti-cheat, with Valve responding that the Steam Machine's expected focus on multiplayer gaming could encou

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  • Which is what server side AC solves, they don't want to do it because of money and expertise required vs here have a rootkit.

    VACnet has always been like this, trained on all the games played. It's had its problems sure, but I have never had to install a rootkit to play their video games. That's the baseline any other game should be achieving.

  • Eurogamer asked Valve if there had been any progress in helping games requiring kernel-level anti-cheat, with Valve responding that the Steam Machine's expected focus on multiplayer gaming could encou

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  • Very easily, that's what machine learning is for.

    You can't tell with client side either, so that's a null argument. Anti-cheat is always bypassed, most good cheats don't even run on the same device anymore, completely circumventing any kernel anti-cheat anyway.

    On the server, they have all the data of where a player could be, what they could see, what they could hear, what human mouse movement looks like etc. that can all be used to target cheaters in a way they cannot get around. Player reporting would still exist of course for any other edge cases.

  • Valve says they want SteamOS to be installable on any PC

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  • Strange that they're working so hard on this but Bazzite and similar will already run on anything...

    You said it's strange they are working so hard on it. Are you lost?

  • Eurogamer asked Valve if there had been any progress in helping games requiring kernel-level anti-cheat, with Valve responding that the Steam Machine's expected focus on multiplayer gaming could encou

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  • Machine learning. Oh this player did this impossible move more than once, maybe we should flag that.

    Valve have been doing it for more than a decade. Now imagine what others could do, they are so caught up on "AI", but wont try to use it for anything it could actually be useful for.

  • Valve says they want SteamOS to be installable on any PC

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  • What do you think they are doing???

  • Valve says they want SteamOS to be installable on any PC

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  • Having a company like Valve behind it is major, getting people on Linux is the important first step, then once familiar they can try other distros.

  • Eurogamer asked Valve if there had been any progress in helping games requiring kernel-level anti-cheat, with Valve responding that the Steam Machine's expected focus on multiplayer gaming could encou

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  • What kind of shit question is that???

    You should be questioning the game developers if they want to implement server side solutions instead of installing rootkits on users PCs and dictating what settings they should use.

    Fuck off Eurogamer. No game should require any sort of kernel level access or setting change on your PC.

  • Jack Dorsey funds diVine, a Vine reboot that includes Vine's video archive

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  • Yeah, it is just going to be filled with shortened down tiktok slop rather than anything it would have been in the past.

  • Valve Announces New Steam Machine, Steam Controller & Steam Frame

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  • The Machine will apparently be about the price of "an entry level PC".

    The Frame will "not cost more than the Index".

  • The heat... I mean the cold... well, it’s palpable!

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  • Farenheit isnt a vibe temperature, its just a bullshit unit of measurment that stuck around in the US.

    If you wanted a vibe temperature, why not have 0 be comfortable room temperature and then negatives be colder and positives be warmer?

    Or just use Celsius like the rest of the world.