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grow a plant, hug your dog, lift heavy, eat healthy, be a nerd, play a game and help each other out

  • Huh interesting. Are these displays all the exact same model?

    There's a relatively new feature in the amd gfx display abstraction layer called freesync power optimisation. This feature leverages panel VRR to help mclk idle low at the desktop. This was introduced for single display use with RDNA 2, and expanded to dual display along with RDNA3s MALL advancements. I'm not sure if this is expanded further with RDNA 4 but I can try to find out.

  • This isn't true for Vega 10 and 20 due to their use of HBM2. In general what you're describing is a comparative weakness of GDDR as a technology. I don't think there's anything to suggest there's an inherent issue with idle power on older gen asics at >60 Hz save from the typical limitations with VBI compatibility in an array of panels or display bandwidth thresholds. In the case of VBI compact issues, modifying EDIDs can indeed help.

  • That's kind of curious. I don't think 3D_FULLSCREEN should inherently determine idle mclk behaviour in and of itself. Is this just a single 1440p display at 120Hz? Is VRR enabled?

  • huh, I generally expect Vega10 based GPUs to idle at ~3W TGP (not inclusive of other board power losses like VRM). Can you tell us what you display setup is? Can you get a reading of your idle mclk using something like CoreCtrl?

  • video playback will likely kick the asic out of idle. What's your power use at true desktop idle?

    Generally speaking, vega 10 (56, 64) and 20 (radeon vii) are able to achieve decently low desktop idle with varied display configs due to the memory technology they employ.

  • Can you tell us which distro and display config this is with?

    I'm also in 3D_FULLSCREEN on NV21XT but my idle mclk is 96 MHz. TGP (not to be confused with TBP which is only communicated on RDNA 3 and up) is 6 watts at idle with my browsers open. GNOME 47 + Wayland, 2560 x 1440 @ 180Hz + 1920 x 1080 @ 60Hz, VRR enabled on both displays. This is with Fedora 41, kernel 6.13.6-200.fc41.x86_64

    For context, the GPU index (0,1,2 etc) will depend on the number of video adapters you have in the system. If you have a CPU with integrated graphics, there's a chance this will be registered as 0000 whereas the dGPU will be 0001.

  • Oh I see, good to know

  • Radv is also a part of mesa, along with anv, nvk, turnip etc

  • I mean, it runs everything I need. But what is mainstream gaming to everyone else? Is it fortnite? Call of duty? Destiny 2? Pubg? Valorant? GTA? Battlefield? (weirdly a lot of shooters), Apex? Siege?

    May not matter to people like us but they each command something to the effect of hundreds of thousands of concurrent players. Capable as Linux distros are for gaming (truly the best way to experience classic games) the anticheat situation is no less dire.

  • right, good to know. I was under the impression this was included with Mesa. Admittedly I've never provisioned a system on Linux without amd gfx from the get go. Do users switching from nvidia (for example) to amd gfx need to manually install radv on their systems?

  • Is this analogous to radv? If so, does it need to be manually installed?

  • Idle power is determined by your display setup. Is your friend a comparable arrangement to yours? Do you run a couple high res high refresh rate displays?

    I'm a little surprised you're reaching the same idle draw as vega10 given its use of HBM2. Also worth noting that everything prior to RDNA 3 showed TGP instead of TBP. This was particularly annoying as it didn't account for other board power losses (like VRM), and didn't give monitoring software an accurate read :/

  • For perf deficits in rtrt with heavier effects (reflections, GI, AO), you may find some luck in leveraging AMDVLK instead of RADV. I don't doubt the latter will catch up in good time.

  • Apparently it's only applicable to people using the chatbot thing.

    Still abhorrent but it shouldn't apply to anybody otherwise. I'm still all for prying Firefox away from Mozilla.

  • Distros building from source for their own repos may also be exempt then?

  • Here's an interesting excerpt:

    When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox.

    E: fwiw, Firefox built from source is exempt from these terms of use. Forks are also a great option but I wonder if Linux distros will approach this accordingly.

    E2: apparently these ToU only apply when using their chatbot.

    E3: I think I misunderstood some conversations surrounding the topic for E2

  • Mozilla just coming out with hit after hit.

    Can we start a petition to stipulate that the ownership should move from Mozilla to the Linux Foundation, just as a meme and to see where it gets to?

  • Thank you for the heads up my g. This is basically pvp payday 2 (pre-planning shit) and I'm here for it. Gonna buy this for the group.

    e: this game has so much charm. I've bought 25 copies for myself, friends and colleagues. Thanks again for the tip.

  • I'm in the south east and I keep a bottle nearby. Maybe I don't drink enough during the day.

  • But how will he say gamer words whilst playing pubg?

    bellend