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  • "We don't have to play fair. We can cheat if we want."

    "It didn’t say they cheated."

  • Of course I see a difference. I see the systems that the Democrats and Republicans built coming to fruition. I see the trends that the Democrats ignored increased. I see the societal problems from then tuned up a few notches, because the Democrats were too busy bombing kids, backing a genocide, and bailing out their rich friends to fix.

  • Yeah, more bombing of children. More Genocide. More torture prisons. More facism. More stealing from the working-class to give to the rich. More deportations.

    Are we winning yet?

  • We also have overwhelming historical evidence that voting for the current batch of Democrats doesn't work.

  • Not only that, they'll yell at the people who voted for anti-genocide candidates. I can't tell you how many times I've been told that I voted for genocide, by vorting for an anti-genocide candidate.

  • "There’s no right to not have your candidate disadvantaged or have another candidate advantaged. There’s no contractual obligation here…it’s not a situation where a promise has been made that is an enforceable promise."

    They argued this in court. If they ran a fair election, they could have just provided the evidence. Instead they told the court that they don't have to run fair elections. Why would they say that, if they ran a fair election?

  • Who the fuck is asking for things like this?

    Middle-managers trying to justify their terrible decisions

  • I love IRC. I run my own instance where my friends and I hang out. It's super easy, and a lot of fun!

  • Obama: "The truth of the matter is that my policies are so mainstream that if I had set the same policies that I had back in the 1980s, I would be considered a moderate Republican."

    I've watched the Democrats move to the right since then

  • They got a lot of money by selling out their users. They are still getting a lot of money by selling out their users.

  • This decision will be a stain on our party for years to come and damage our ability to organize for Democratic wins this year, next year, and beyond.

    Of course it will. This is like, the Democrats whole thing.

  • That's a bad analogy. The sandwich with no substance in it is neutral. If the Dems were neutral, I'd have no problem with it. But they are actively evil. We don't call them the "lesser evil" because they are neutral. They are actively:

    • bombing children
    • supporting rapists
    • supporting facists
    • draining our resources to help their rich friends
    • destroying the environment
    • torturing people
    • backing a genocide
    • backing the abuses of the military/intelligence agencies
    • backing surveillance systems

    If you think that equates to a "A sandwich with absolutely no real substance. It’s just two slices of bread with the thinnest wafer of baloney you’ve ever seen." then I'm going to stop engaging with you because we fundamentally see reality differently. I see attrocities, and you see no real problems.

    They do have a turd in the sandwich, but because it's a smaller turd than the other sandwich, I'm being told that the turd in the Dem's sandwich doesn't exist. And I can see it with my own eyes, as do many others, who agree that maybe we should be allowed to ask for a sandwich without a turd. I'm not asking for a burger, I'm asking for someone who isn't going to destroy people's lives, but the Democrats aren't interested in that.

  • Who said Trump was gonna be better about any of that? I certainly didn't. But the Democrats were going to keep supporting those systems, and helping the Republicans build them out. The ones helping the facists aren't going to fight against and stop the facists. That makes them far from "less than ideal".

  • "Please stop supporting genocide" "No"

    "Please stop deporting people without due process" "No"

    "Please stop bombing children" "No"

    "Please stop gaslighting us about the state of the economy" "No"

    "Please say you'll do something to stop healthcare from being the biggest cause of bankruptcy" "No"

    "Please make the economy work for the people, rather than the rich" "No"

    "...anything less than their ideal"

    I'm not sure you understand what the phrase "less than their ideal" means.

  • My point is that the Democratic Party is changing, albeit slowly, by virtue of the electorate itself changing.

    lol, sure Jan.

    Call me when they stop funding:

    • Genocide
    • War
    • Bailouts for their rich friends
    • Torture
    • Surveillance Programs

    and start funding:

    • Healthcare for all
    • Fixes for the housing crisis
    • Real fixes for the environment and climate

    Until then, I'm going to pretty openly continue to not take you seriously.

  • Well, we also have votes. But if you ignore all of the data showing how we show up to vote when given the option, but are not given the option, then you won't see it.

  • Oh, you mean when they finally get a leftist to vote for, they show up to vote? Crazy. Who could have seen that coming?

    Leftists demonstrably vote, but not for right-wingers, so the DNC should probably stop kicking leftists off the ballot, and stop running right-wingers.

  • To be blunt, I'm not even going to continue this conversation with you. You keep saying that the Dems would do something if they had a chance, but they have had many chances, and chose to do things like bomb kids, instead of help out voters. I've provided the evidence above, and you keep pretending that they were powerless. Quit wasting my time unless you can provide evidence that they are actually trying.

  • What do you think that quote means? Do you think the DNC would be saying that they don't have to play fair, if they were playing fair? Go read the court case. They were told by a judge that they were right, and that they didn't have to play fair.