I'm not exactly standing behind it - just saying what I've read. I'm confident nuclear plants are after 9/11. Anything else is probably hit or miss, including petro/gas pipelines, coal, and generating plants specifically. Plus if a bad actor (likely state sanctioned) decides to, they can get through air gaps with spies/traitors/unwitting idiots with a simple USB drive. After air gapped uranium processing centrifuges were wrecked with an errant USB drive, I would expect all systems to disable or remove USB drive connectivity, but I'm sure that's inconsistent... at best.
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Because OP posted this to "Videos" and clearly was meant to be meme material, not necessarily directed at diminishing a whole industry? And you didn't clarify "this post"... sooo yeah, I assumed (what I took as reasonably) that since this is outside a STEM community that you were referring to me. But cool if that was a misunderstanding on my part - my apologies if that was leveled at OP. Thanks for clarifying even if I don't think OP was doing anything other than going for the lols. But maybe I missed some undertow...
I'll let my other point stand on it's own. I believe whole heartedly we should challenge autonomous driving companies to do the right thing.
That's most definitely not what's going on here with me personally. I'm not bent out of shape about autonomous driving and demonstrated that largely it's competent and better than most human drivers already. It's already happening. But I appreciate the dumb and panicky shot across the bow. Then the chef's kiss of "trash like this post" claiming I am making the industry look bad. No, please take a look at Waymo leadership. THEY are making the industry look bad. I'm not even against Waymo! They are actually doing heaps better than most and seem viable as a company. Please remember that challenging people to do better doesn't mean you're against them on the whole. Not everyone is 100% against you because they call out one aspect of a post either.
I never said that, nor implied it. I certainly personally think it's worth pursuit. I was pointing out Waymo was being given a bit of a pass there, and want to remind folks that profit incidentive that ignores or downplays human risk is not at all appealing and shouldn't be given a free pass.
If Waymo can drive and "only" kills 1% of the equivalent per human miles driven, it's certainly better right? But given that it's a machine with a company that has a profit motive behind it, it's goals need to be lofty. Why not set the bar at zero human deaths as a goal post and work from there? As soon as you say a single death is acceptable, it changes how everyone approaches it and turns into "well, is a second death acceptable?" and that's going to quickly devolve into "what is an acceptable level of death for our profit margin." To be clear, I'm arguing the answer should always be NONE. The alternative is a slippery slope, so I don't want to give anyone a pass.
I can only speak for the US, but our electric grids and production are supposed to be air gapped for critical infrastructure. Healthcare? I doubt it based on the continuous leaks there - and medical supply chains are tightly integrated with internet/cloud... Shopping still has a fairly sizeable local accessibility for staple items, certainly food distro where the internet wouldn't matter for at least a short while, but it's also tightly integrated for Supply Chain Management, much like Health care - so there could be a run on it.
I'm not sure on public transport, but most are goverment led, so probably air gapped.
There's also a shitton of dark fiber laying about. Internet infrastructure COULD be brought back up depending on the damage that triggered outages in the first place.
pretty sure Waymo is cool with not taking safety seriously, though. Profits, amirite?
EDIT: JAYSUS this must be my most edited comment to get right.
That always had 'Michael Scott taking Wayne Gretzky's quote as his own' energy
Can you elaborate?
OK and no worries - try not to let your frustration turn into hostility with likely allies and potential converts. BTW, I realize that I do the same when I'm ultra passionate about something and think I'm 100% right so I am aware and struggle at times to retain positivity. It's like a full time job! LOL
I still disagree about the relevancy as clearly outlined in our chat, but I absolutely recognize your perspective (you're largely correct) and the need to push into mobile being paramount. I hope my points about leveraging desktop, gaming, and QoL improvement wins we already have are able to temper your frustration by influencing from another view. I think we largely want the same things here - I guess I'm just cautioning that we should use every lever we have to build FOSS's future even if the "now" is already mobile. Certainly when someone reaches out to this fine community asking a "why" question, giving us all an opportunity to be welcoming and educating. All the best, lemmy friend.
I don't understand the hostility, nor the downvotes to my original point. You're going sideways a bit trying to deliver your message to a captive and mostly agreable audience where I was attempting to answer OP's question asking for insider information about why all the servers and supercomputers run Linux and pivot into adoption and advocation for Linxu in general.
I agree that we need to embrace FOSS on mobile. I'd LOVE to have a viable Linux-distro phone that actuall works. I spend money and effort in this space, already. The vast majority of the world gets connecitivity via mobile devices. I know that and probably most in this community do too. My original point (heavily downvoted in a linux sub of all things) is that Linux IS READY and can WIN the desktop. That's it... that's all. Yet it seems you've taken umbrage that I didn't agree with you 100%. In fact, we could really just consider linux on mobile as a smaller desktop with more input constraints and a smaller screen + need to utilize mobile radios properly (this is typically the hard part to open source). And I agreed with most of your statement, correcting on one point that implied Linux was only suitable for Servers. Which is a bit ironic because to win mobile it HAS to win on the desktop. Steam and stable / high UX distros have made this actually viable in the last 2-3 years where Windows users can migrate with the lightest of disruption and capability yet get all the resiliency, security and privacy.
You're not winning anyone over with the attitude. I don't get the edgelord response like I personally affronted you for having a nuanced interpretation. Geninuinely asking - what makes you think attacking me with your italicized ad hominim is working, especially when it's the hottest of takes? Are you getting out your anger on someone? Makes you feel like you're "winning" a comment thread on a tiny internet forum? Who hurt you, man! :-) In all seriousness, in the real world, we'd likely be chattering on about this over a beer, so I truly don't get it.
Happy to continue the conversation, in the hope we can find common ground. Not everyone's an idiot because they don't agree with you 100% or see things from another angle. In fact, I'd like to discuss this:
Outside of offices, computing now means Android and almost nothing else If you're going strictly by number of mobile devices I buy it. If you're going by actual dollars spent, arguably the most important metric for investors, I'm going to say the disparity is narrowed by gamers alone, even if mobile wins by sheer volume x cheap devices. Mobile currently drives investment by selling personal data and microtransaction games mostly, so there's anti-incentive to even ALLOW linux-based mobile devices on networks outside of Wi-Fi. So I see mobile as a near term hope and goal and desktop / gaming as an already winning, which just needs people to spread the good word. Plus people who run Linux on their laptops are much much more likely to consider it on their phone if it "just works" and covers 95% of their use cases and comes bundled with not selling or leaking their personal data for the same price.
Mobile is not all that counts. I don't know anyone without at least one laptop or desktop in the house (typically more) and gamers alone contribute more billions of $$ to entertainment than sports and movies combined. There's hundreds of millions of normal people who are still using MicroSlop Windows which has turned into a surveilance nightmare almost as bad as mobile platforms simply because it's the lowest effort/barrier to entry (pre-installed).
I absolutely want to concentrate energy on FOSS on mobile - with you there, but Steam Proton has made gaming so simple on Linux and the last 10 years of quality of life OS/Kernel improvements means FOSS can already compete on "desktop" and win. I"m saying don't dismiss it because if you can prove to people they can have a bulletproof and seemless experience for FREE without having to pay subscriptions and get privacy in the deal, they are more apt to consider a Linux phone (assuming it works).
P.S. I should also mention that most everything we improve or build for desktop Linux can be used on mobile (within mobile plat limitations). Win hearts and minds where you can - Linux isn't just for servers.
I'm going to contest you on one point. Linux is well suited as a server OS for all kinds of reasons, true, but it is absolutely just as well suited as a desktop OS. Even for (maybe especially for?) the masses. I consider any thinking otherwise as dated at this point. Arguably only MacOS is slightly better and it's essentially a 'nix derivative with it's own quirks.
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Don't forget Xitter, Facebook/Insta/Whatsapp/Meta, Washington Post, Boston Globe, Minnesota Star Tribune, LA Times, Time Magazine, Bloomberg, New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Tiktok, Reddit, Sinclaire (Radio) and now CBS / Paramount, etc.. It's a trillion dollar propaganda machine run at the pleasure of billionaires. If we go orthagonal, we should include all major AI players too, most definitely Grok.
Right wing media IS mainstream media now.
TIL:
- MTV was still alive in 2025
- MTV Still had 24 hour music channels after say... 1993?
- MTV, much to my great surprise was able to keep the lights on past 2000!
Let's not limit it to the US
They include it and playlists, etc. So does FreeTube.
Shiny and chrome.
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