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  • That's interesting. Like it seems that, like most people, he had a complex relationship with his heritage and the way it manifested in the world. But what's especially telling is despite him making the antisemitic comment about breaking of the 1973 ceasefire it turns out he gave them the green light to break it, so that makes it seem like that comment might've just been an act for the benefit of others. Saying the equivalent of 'Oh lawd, those silly Israelis are breaking ceasefires again', etc, to conceal or misdirect from his involvement in giving them the go-ahead.

    But also this isn't particularly relevant to the joke I was making. Which is that Israel calls anything said or done against Jewish people for any reason antisemitism, so I was turning that back on Israel for doing/saying things against a Jew. It's funny regardless of Kissinger's relationship with his ethnicity/religion or Israel because it's about Israel, not Kissinger.

  • I sadly don't think that's the case. I still talk to people every day who are parroting 50s-era anti-communist propaganda straight from the mouth of the CIA unironically. Circumstances may be dire, that I don't dispute, but I feel like they're going to have to be considerably worse before most people are willing to overcome their indoctrinated bias and start considering alternatives that don't involve 'maybe make capitalism suck a little less?'

  • Kissinger was Jewish, so that was antisemitism. That's how it works (according to Israel), any political statement or action made against anyone who is Jewish is antisemitism, right? :P

  • Hmm, someone call maga a waaaaahmbulance, it's nappy time.

  • I mean it's definitely both, but the fashy admins were the last straw.

  • If you feel like hunting for it I'd be happy to look at it, but I'm not gonna go digging in your posts for who knows how long to find it.

  • Yep, entirely fair. S'why I left.

  • I'm not complaining about people leaving, just saying the bots are not the biggest problem.

  • That's fair, it just seems like that if they're going down the list of problems looking for things they can do to make reddit a better place, it doesn't make sense to not start at the top.

  • I agree that's definitely the case, but I think the problem here is that most Americans can't tell minorities apart, they see brown skin and assume. I once watched a grown adult yell 'Mexican go home' to a Pakistani couple, and this sort of thing is far too common.

  • Yeah it's definitely the bots and not the fashy admins that drove me away from reddit.

  • (Disclaimer: This article seems to have been posted to several communities on lemmy, so I'm going to comment this under every single one I find.)

    Hmm, I'm not liking this headline. Let's try rewriting it a bit, shall we?

    Why YOU (the person writing this article) are knowingly volunteering for Trump, and how to stop trying to blame everyone else for it.

    Yeah, that's better.

    Every time Trump says or posts something bizarre — whether it’s a typo, a wild conspiracy theory, or an AI-generated image of himself as the pope — social media explodes.

    Led by who? The media. People like you, the author of this very article, writing articles with the explicit purpose of generating outrage so they can sell more ads. You know you are making this problem worse and you don't care, so stop trying to blame it on everyone else.

    This tactic is shockingly effective

    Because you enable it, you platform it, you amplify it. If people like you would stop writing articles that amount to 'notorious fire hose of bullshit spews even more bullshit' it would be a whole fucking lot less effective.

    Those who amplify Trump’s absurd statements into top news stories and endless scandals aren’t undermining his agenda

    That's you and journalists like you. So fucking stop it. Stop writing articles about how Trump's presidency is Putin's wet dream (looks like someone had the good sense to delete that one), how Trump is going to invade Canada, 'dire warnings' about Trump's fraud, etc. With your current article blaming everyone but yourself for this problem the hypocrisy is finally piled high enough that I can no longer ignore it. So please, in the kindest possible terms, I would like to cordially invite you to fuck ALL the way off with your nonsense.

    Since you went to the trouble of making a list, let's go through your points one by one, shall we?

    1. Understand his strategy ... By flooding the public with scandal after scandal, lie after lie, they create confusion, fatigue, and a sense of helplessness.

    And you would think the people who work for media, who are ostensibly the most media-liteate among us, would have recognized their own prominent place in it. It's not 'them' flooding the world with their scandals and lies, it's YOU. You are creating in articles like the above (not to mention this one) the helplessness that you purport to be working against.

    1. Be ruthlessly selective with your attention ... Skip outrage bait.

    Like the 3 articles I mentioned above that you wrote?

    1. Be mindful what you share ... Ask yourself before you share: Is this helping people understand, organize, or act

    Practice what you fucking preach.

    1. Focus on meaningful action ... Take a moment to honestly compare how much time you’ve spent absorbed in Trump scandals with the time you’ve put into meaningful efforts or thoughtful planning to help protect democracy.

    And how much time have you spent on articles like the above ginning up exactly the sort of outrage that you now purport to be against? How much meaningful effort and thoughtful planning have you contributed to this? If this article is your best example I'm gonna go ahead and guess basically none.

    1. Keep the faith ... Making us feel afraid and helpless is a key goal of authoritarian confusion tactics.

    And, apparently, a key goal of media shills like you who enable it.

    1. Help others tune out the noise ... When you see outrage bait spreading online, speak up.

    Here the fuck I am, speaking up.

    and why it’s so important to stay focused on what actually matters: useful, actionable information.

    None of which is in this article. Instead what we find is victim-blaming, projection, and a frankly shocking lack of self-awareness that you are the problem, not the solution. Nobody on social media is doing original reporting here, they're all linking articles written by people like you, and blaming the victim is the oldest fucking trick in the book to try to shift the blame from yourself: 'If only you would all recycle harder (or, what seems to be your personal favorite, stop eating meat) we wouldn't have climate change,' 'If only you would all put down your phones we wouldn't have an epidemic of loneliness', 'If only you would all vote the way I think you should we would live in a magical happy place where nothing ever goes wrong.'

    All bullshit, all the time. But that's okay, I have a few of my own:

    If only the media would stop being a willing mouthpiece for fascism.

    If only the media would stop chasing ad revenue and start actually trying to inform the populace with unbiased, non-sensational truth about what's actually going on.

    If only the media would stop blasting every fucking word Trump and his bullshit-factory crank out.

    If only people like you would stop telling us everything is our fault and take some fucking responsibility for your not-insignificant part in this.

  • It was just a half-assed attempt to provide an example, I'm just a dude on the internet who doesn't write headlines all day, I'm sure someone who does could come up with something better.

  • You know what, I think maybe I was a little overzealous in my reading of that person's comment. I just went and reread it and realized there's not a lot there, so I was probably assuming intent or meaning that may or may not have been there. My bad.

  • I definitely think there would've been more outrage if it was Obama vs Biden, but this is a tribal thing, Democrats are 'them' and any perceived slight by 'them' must be countered in the strongest possible terms, so there would still have been plenty of outrage at Biden too.

  • Sure I get that loads of people really hated Obama for lots of reasons. I sincerely don't think this is a racial thing though: it's a tribal thing, us vs them. Republicans are perceived as being on the side of Christianity (us) so they are given a lot more leeway in these matters, where Democrats (them) are the enemy of Christianity and every slight however small must be countered in the strongest possible terms (see: 'the war on Christmas' and other stupid shit.)

    Would the outrage have been greater if it was Obama instead of Biden? Absolutely, I'm not questioning that at all. I'm just saying don't think there wouldn't be outrage against Biden just because he's not black.

  • Oh yeah I totally get that, that was my point: it's not white privilege, it's just telling people what they want to hear.

  • Yup. When he did those nazi salutes I didn't think 'omg he's secretly a nazi', it was 'omg that fucking 12-year-old edgelord cringe-factory is so fucking proud of himself for pulling that off.'

    To be clear I do think he's a nazi, just not because of that salute. Dude has some weird ideas about 'spreading his seed' and shit that I've only ever seen in fanatically religious communities and among white supremacists.

  • There are better ways to say that if that was their intent. Like:

    They've also pointed to passages of Mangione's writings, which described Mangione's deepening fixation on UnitedHealthcare and an increasing malice over what he claims to be the corporation's greed.

    Purported greed just smacks of cowardice.

  • Reddit @lemmy.world

    Reddit is so very confused..