It was a video interview, I remember watching it the same way you watch cars keep crashing in to each other in a freeway accident during an ice storm. They've done a good job of retconning it away.
I can't do either of those things. Anyone who paid the least attention should have known he was crazy 60 years ago if not longer.
He used to tell a tall tale about how he lived in a cardboard box in the street in NYC until someone gave him a $5 bill which he invested to build his "empire" (his preferred word for it at the time). I can't possibly be the only person to remember that ludicrous bullshit.
Is that X OSX? They renamed it back to MacOS.