Tammy Gottlieb, a member of the Executive of the World Zionist Organisation...
This is a good micrcosm of why some marxists want to separate bourgoisie feminism from actual women's liberation; patriarchy is held up by western women and their counterpart liberals elsewhere seeking a bigger piece of the capital pie by crying "lower class men" are oppressing them and pay lip service (if that) for the women of nations and classes they subjugate; TERF island UK being another example.
Thank you very much for sharing this article. It adds another dimension of the repurcussions to trade cessation with Israel which will be viewed as an act of war by the West (fucking hell, some people can be purposefully dense. Literally spelling out the concerns but the allure of sinophobia is too strong for some).
No I do know that, which is why I brought it up the fuck. You brought up I was racist when I criticize China. I brought up another valid criticism of China and you go off some bullshit.
Keep deflecting how China NEEDS to trade with a genocidal entity to prevent future entities and criticizing that makes you racist. Joke of the century
You're going to have to at least demonstrate you understand the arguments made here otherwise it's going to look like you're being bullied for not having the intelligence bandwidth to process this at present.
People like you’d be stanning for China even when they supported the khmer rouge too bud.
You talk like you have just learned what socialism is from the back of a milk carton. One of the top things MLs criticise China is the war against Vietnam and its dealing with Khmer Rouge.
But you don't know that because you don't realise what this is. The chances of you being convinced here is very close to zero; this is for anyone lurking here so they may have a chance to educate themselves and not become a piece of shit compatible-left of the US empire.
You are functionally not against the genocide, you are what makes the genocide possible.
I wonder where you learned the phrase "pull the race card" from to use it that way and what war crime your grandfather is guilty of.
I mean you are doing a real convincing impression of you offering no solidarity with the Chinese - you are more than happy if the Chinese are fodder for your politics.
Palestine is on your radar because of Hamas and what BE does here appeals to your westernised sensibilities because you're a parasite leaching off the Global South.
This is an oppurtunity for you to learn rather than double down on whatever this is.
For anyone still lurking, and to add to what I have already said:
"Race card"; scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds
If they decide trade cessation you will do fuck all if any Chinese die as a result
If they decide not to do trade cessation, with the ongoing escalations to further hot wars the likes of you will go "oh well, they didn't do much for palestine anyway" as a narrative for a social license to back imperialism
So the only reason you are comfortable with risking Chinese blood either way is because you're on the samewave length as the genocidaires you nominally admonish. The likes of you are the reason why Chinese intervention is so damn risky, you make up part of the imperial cores defence, because you will offer no real stake in solidarity with Chinese and you have no real plan to threaten your own government and state.
We are, however, dialectical materialists. Matter is always in motion and we do not believe necessarily a person's abhorrent views are set in stone; we welcome you to change them - to begin with educate yourself. A lot of us here were once liberals too.
Perfomative politics is all you got. Materially you're no different that those more vocal in supporting the genocide; they are just more honest.
I mean you could learn why the Chinese have the foreign policy they do, having learned from the Soviet Union but you choose not to. Your crocodile tears mean nothing when there's zilch about trade cessation with every other western country (like why not the US? Or Europe? They're all orders of magnitude worse than Israel. Every war crime in palestine is theirs and then some) because you decided to hold "standards" for a country of a global south that you haven't elsewhere. And the ongoing mass murders with other countries by the West for the past > 1 century. And this is if I pretend to take your argument at face value that all you mean is just trading.
Do you at least harbor some amount of disappointment for how little China has distanced themselves from “Israel”?
Any disappointment I may have had is because of leftover liberalism ie my own ignorance and ineptitude. My own anger comes from how little has been done by the peoples collectively as westerners/vassal states.
The likes of Soviet Union and Cuba has done things that should jam more with western mores of what "socialism" is outside of their borders and they fucking suffered for it AND don't get the credit they deserved.
Their peoples died en masse for the world so the rest of us can write fucking memes.
Whereas the one country that learned what that overleverage costs is the only reason we are talking here today about a realistic end of Western Hegemony. Marxism-leninism is a science and we are so backwards that we do not have the courtesy of humanity to learn it.
Or, maybe you reject the entire premise and DO think that China has been effectively browbeating “Israel”?
I suspect they are but I want to currently submit to the concrete evidence we do have rather than the speculation of what may be likely (ie high impact but low visbility eg dual use metal export ban).
The simple answer is the US is orders of magnitude worse than Israel and if one understands despite that China had to trade with the US and is avoiding hot war with it then it is telling when folks not get why the same should extend elsewhere of said hegemony. If one wants to downplay the only country to drop nuclear bombs on civilians twice then that is on them to take that risk not China's.
treating international trade like consumer choice opt out is the bone-headed take that is unbecoming of anyone who considers anti-imperialism as a science. That's the most polite I can be (like BDS barely works - like it hits bottom lines of companies as best case scenario and does fuck all for ethnic cleansing and genocide. The reason we have to even consider as a litmus test for western politicians is because westerners are so fucking retrograde and backwards)
pathetic does not even begin to describe the racism here against the Chinese (and let's be honest, against the Palestinians too by offsetting any guilt and playing perfomative politics. "Raising awareness" politics is apparently radical)
Racist fuckers pretty much asking the Chinese to risk death and nuclear WWIII while they are too incompetent to do fuck all in their own countries (^most lenient scenario. actual scenario - they partake in the benefits of imperialism).
It is left-liberals (whatever the fuck they want to call themselves or even decide to drape themselves in sickle and hammer aesthetics or that annoying fucking A) who effectively prevent the underclasses from overthrowing the government of whatever Western country or vassal state they are in (you take your pick of reasons why including socdem apologism), and thereby nullify the option that if the Chinese do decide to risk a hot war that there would be any real chance of material solidarity and not have to then face retribution of whatever fascists and liberals leftover hellbent on revenge.
It is pretty much these "leftists" who prevent any real hope of Chinese intervention.
Put it this way, if so-called communists cannot see the self-evident truths above then what chance is there with rest of them. The only fucking country that has managed to build a socialist fortress and the rest of you all have the gall to fucking lecture.
This is a good micrcosm of why some marxists want to separate bourgoisie feminism from actual women's liberation; patriarchy is held up by western women and their counterpart liberals elsewhere seeking a bigger piece of the capital pie by crying "lower class men" are oppressing them and pay lip service (if that) for the women of nations and classes they subjugate; TERF island UK being another example.