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1h ago

Hmmmmm. Libs: NoRtH KoReA BaDdD
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Cowbee [he/they] @lemmy.ml 1h ago
Ok, so western press exagerates or tell straight up lies on details and defectors could not be trusted everytime, but they tell coherent stories
They don't actually tell coherent stories. Just check Yeonmi Park, whose absurd claims are eadily debunked. My point is that defectors are paid to tell outlandish stories.
but I still think we have enough proofs to see that NK is not a great country to live and that its government is at fault.
This is absurd. The DPRK had 80% of its buildings destroyed in the Korean War, along with 20% of their population. In the 90s, their biggest trading partner was dissolved. Throughout all of this, extremely brutal sanctions have been placed on then. Like Cuba, their shortcomings are overwhelmingly due to the harsh embargoes.
So why is it so difficult for foreign journalists to comme to NK ?
It isn't, really, just western journalists. Part of this is due to the DPRK being rightfully suspicious of western sabateurs, and part of this is due to western countries restricting their own travel there.
If NK’s situation is as good as you suggest, why not showing it ?
They do, though the west usually claims everyone is "acting" or other such nonsense.
In absence of more trustworthy sources
Why is publicly owned news media unreliable? This inherent distrust of public media over private reeks of chauvanism.
I consider that the coherent reports told by people who actually went there and were of different horizons (defectors, some journalists of different countries) could be at least partially trusted.
Then watch My Brothers and Sisters in the North, from a journalist that had to give up her ROK citizenship. Won awards in Germany. Also, check Sally Yin's twitter posts, showing daily life in various cities in the DPRK.
It would be extremly unlikely that NK turns out to be a socialist paradise that was hidden from us.
It isn't a paradise. Embargoes and sanctions have dramatically stunted development. It is, however, extremely resiliant and regularly improving.
I do not know if you consider Reporters Without Borders as another capitalist spawn because it has its headquarters in a western country (France), but its survey of press freedom in NK is explicit. So again, why not showing to us westerners how much we are wrong ?
Reporters Without Borders is western biased, and the fact that private, capitalist press is restricted in a socialist country isn't anything new. The fact is, you don't trust anything reported by the DPRK itself, such as KCNA, nor even outlets like South China Morning Post, which ran a report on Pyongyang's expansion.

2h ago

Hmmmmm. Libs: NoRtH KoReA BaDdD

The problem with reporting on the DPRK is that information is extremely limited on what is actually going on there, at least in the English language (much can be read in Korean, Mandarin, Russian, and even Spanish). Most reports come from defectors, and said defectors are notoriously dubious in their accounts, something the WikiPedia page on Media Coverage of North Korea spells out quite clearly. These defectors are also held in confined cells for around 6 months before being released to the public in the ROK, in... unkind conditions, and pressured into divulging information. Additionally, defectors are paid for giving testemonials, and these testimonials are paid more the more severe they are. From the Wiki page:

Felix Abt, a Swiss businessman who lived in the DPRK, argues that defectors are inherently biased. He says that 70 percent of defectors in South Korea are unemployed, and selling sensationalist stories is a way for them to make a living.

Side note: there is a great documentary on the treatment of DPRK defectors titled Loyal Citizens of Pyongyang in Seoul, which interviews DPRK defectors and laywers legally defending them, if you're curious. I also recommend My Brothers and Sisters in the North, a documentary made by a journalist from the Republic of Korea that was stripped of her citizenship for making this documentary humanizing the people in the DPRK.

Because of these issues, there is a long history of what we consider legitimate news sources of reporting and then walking back stories. Even the famous "120 dogs" execution ended up to have been a fabrication originating in a Chinese satirical column, reported entirely seriously and later walked back by some news outlets. The famous "unicorn lair" story ended up being a misunderstanding:

In fact, the report is a propaganda piece likely geared at shoring up the rule of Kim Jong Eun, North Korea's young and relatively new leader, said Sung-Yoon Lee, a professor of Korean studies at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University. Most likely, North Koreans don't take the report literally, Lee told LiveScience.

"It's more symbolic," Lee said, adding, "My take is North Koreans don't believe all of that, but they bring certain symbolic value to celebrating your own identify, maybe even notions of cultural exceptionalism and superiority. It boosts morale."

These aren't tabloids, these are mainstream news sources. NBC News reported the 120 dogs story. Same with USA Today. The frequently reported concept of "state-mandated haircut styles", as an example, also ended up being bogus sensationalism. People have made entire videos going over this long-running sensationalist misinformation, why it exists, and debunking some of the more absurd articles. As for Radio Free Asia, it is US-government founded and funded. There is good reason to be skeptical of reports sourced entirely from RFA about geopolitical enemies of the US Empire.

Sadly, some people end up using outlandish media stories as an "acceptable outlet" for racism. By accepting uncritically narratives about "barbaric Koreans" pushing trains, eating rats, etc, it serves as a "get out of jail free" card for racists to freely agree with narratives devoid of real evidence.

It's important to recognize that a large part of why the DPRK appears to be insular is because of UN-imposed sanctions, helmed by the US Empire. It is difficult to get accurate information on the DPRK, but not impossible; Russia, China, and Cuba all have frequent interactions and student exchanges, trade such as in the Rason special economic zone, etc, and there are videos released onto the broader internet from this.

In fact, many citizens who flee the DPRK actually seek to return, and are denied by the ROK. Even BBC is reporting on a high-profile case where a 95 year old veteran wishes to be buried in his homeland, sparking protests by pro-reunification activists in the ROK to help him go home in his final years.

Finally, it's more unlikely than ever that the DPRK will collapse. The economy was estimated by the Bank of Korea (an ROK bank) to have grown by 3.7% in 2024, thanks to increased trade with Russia. The harshest period for the DPRK, the Arduous March, was in the 90s, and the government did not collapse then. That was the era of mass statvation thanks to the dissolution of the USSR and horrible weather disaster that made the already difficult agricultural climate of northern Korea even worse. Nowadays food is far more stable and the economy is growing, collapse is highly unlikely.

What I think is more likely is that these trends will continue. As the US Empire's influence wanes, the DPRK will increase trade and interaction with the world, increasing accurate information and helping grow their economy, perhaps even enabling some form of reunification with the ROK. The US Empire leaving the peninsula is the number 1 most important task for reunification, so this is increasingly likely as the US Empire becomes untenable.

Nodutdol, an anti-imperialist group of Korean expats, released a toolkit on better understanding the situation in Korea. This is more like homework, though. I also recommend Roland Boer's Socialism in Power: On the History and Theory of Socialist Governance for learning about the DPRK's democratic structure.

99.9% alphabetization rates accounts for functional literacy, which is measured contextually. The DPRK places high emphasis on education.

Besides, most of the country is a big farmland made to nourrish the capital city

The gap between urban and rural development is something that has been and continues to be actively addressed. The DPRK is notoriously difficult to farm in geographically, but they make do.

The rest could be seriously challenged by Human Rights Watch reports and so on.

HRW is a propaganda outlet. Per wikipedia, itself heavily biased:

In 2014, two Nobel Peace Laureates, Adolfo Pérez Esquivel and Mairead Maguire, wrote a letter signed by 100 other human rights activists and scholars criticizing HRW for its revolving-door hiring practices with the U.S. government, its failure to denounce the U.S. practice of extrajudicial rendition, its endorsement of the U.S. 2011 military intervention in Libya, and its silence during the 2004 Haitian coup d'état.[39]

It's a functional arm of private capital that occasionally gets things somewhat right. It isn't at all an accurate way to view the world.

I understand the necessity to think outside the capitalist framework and overthrow a system that creates so many inequalities and injustices (otherwise I would not be here), but I do not think it will be achieved by praising a regime who does not creates better life conditions fot its people.

The pro-social policies of the DPRK have created better life conditions for its people. Housing rates, literacy rates, access to healthcare, and more are all much higher than peers with similar material wealth. The shortcomings of the DPRK are similar to Cuba, access to trade in severe periods of sanctions makes it difficult to progress. Lift the sanctions if you want to see the DPRK truly prosper, same with Cuba.