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If by "socialists globally" you mean hitlerite AES nation states (e.g. China, Vietnam) then yes it would benefit them immensely as now their capital accumulation gets boosted and they get to do more imperialism in the future as there's less competition now. If you mean sub-20 member student uni book clubs, then yes it would also benefit them as now they have more stuff to larp about.
In either case, a collapse of US doesn't help the real movement. If anything, the collapse would get rid of a ton of accumulated value, temporarily increasing the rate of profit abroad and bribing the labor aristocracy that presumably is aligning itself with global south (though I call BS, they're as hitlerite as ever) back to defending global capital which would be counterintuitive.
Does collapse of US necessarily mean collapse of the supply chains?
Obviously. State collapsing = nobody is ensuring safety of trade routes anymore, nobody organizing ports, clearing international payments, controlling foreign relations to facilitate trade - in other words, the collapsed state becomes isolated. Firms that had international contracts to provide raw materials for their factories would also flee or fail, making production largely impossible.
What this leaves you with is people's needs not being met and famine, factories that can't produce anything, violence out of desperation and foreign peacekeeping affairs trying to keep things stable while also furthering any interests they might have (like installing a new government). This is where the mass prole death comes from.
The problem is that the military and cops are not proletarians and never will align with our interests. So even if the proletariat fully achieved class consciousness, we would have to fight the military and the cops at a bare minimum.
This is straight up just bs. Military and cops are proletarian, but are also class traitors since they protect and uphold capitalist rule. This goes against their material interests however (nobody is interested in dying for their national bourgeois at the trenches) and is a product of bourgeois society instilling nationalism and war propaganda into its populace.
Also if you were to look at previous revolutions, military was instrumental as most would refuse to shoot at masses of workers trying to overthrow the bourgeois rule and emancipate themselves, joining their side and overwhelming the government. Without the military joining the side of proletariat, the revolutionaries are no match against trained military tactics and equipment. With a collapsed state, the threat becomes foreign military intervention which would result in the exact same premise.
Anyway this is my last wall of text that nobody reads, I cba to explain basic history or economics anymore.
We can't really agree to disagree on wishful thinking vs centuries of materialist analysis that has been historically proven time and time again, sorry.
Yeah if got nuked into the stone age or otherwise completely obliterated all at once, but if it fell to consistent communists or socialists, the accumulated capital would be expropriated and given back to the people, right?
Accumulated value being destroyed doesn't just mean physically existing property (e.g. factories and houses) but also fictitious capital such as bonds and stocks which would result in instant wipe out of capital on paper, collapse of existing factory supply chains meaning they can no longer produce nor sell profitably which devalues them significantly and I can go on and on. This would allow capital abroad to fill in these market spaces with their own produce and enjoy increased profits since competition just got taken out.
Also, it's not up to some "communists and socialists" to pick up the slack - for a revolution to happen, the proletariat as a class has to rise up and fight for their own emancipation. The job of communists is to shift the consciousness from trade union (e.g. merely making conditions better) to communist consciousness (e.g. abolishment of the current state of things) and making sure the revolution succeeds via leadership. Without that, literally nothing can be achieved apart from mere spectacle, as shown by urban guerillas, years of lead and so on, and any collapse would just result in different reactionaries taking power as history shows.
If there's actual class consciousness in a country, collapse isn't necessary at all. If there isn't, collapse wouldn't bring anything other than suffering and shift back towards status quo.
No, collapse of US wouldn't even really hurt capitalism - all it's gonna do is change what nation state is currently the center of capital (likely Germany, Japan or China) who would pick up the slack and status quo is maintained.
In fact, a collapse of such a large hegemony would probably bolster global capital given how it'd take out a ton of accumulated capital, solving overproduction (main capitalist contradiction) for the short-term and making countries temporarily prosper in a fashion not too dissimilar to post-WW2 era. This would legitimize rule of capital further since the times are good.
Yup, once the only bad country in existence (US) is out of the picture, every other country that currently exist, who definitely don't brutalize proles and certainly don't have any interest in imperialism will turn communist and end centuries of suffering for all....
Collapses too are notoriously peaceful and civil and certainly don't result in millions of deaths until another bourgeois hitler takes power
Middle class 14 year old leftists and self-hating third worldists try not to jerk off at the thought of proles in the west dying challenge (impossible)
It'd still be profit-oriented fundamentally, just more obfuscated since in this case the capitalist becomes the state, paying the worker a nonwage to reproduce their labor in exchange for the autistic service they provide to others. Within a private company, the worker is paid a wage to reproduce their labor in exchange for the service they provide to others.
don't worry revolution will come next tuesday, trust the plan 🙏
It wouldn't decrease profits in any way, in fact it'd bolster them temporarily given how everyone has more money to spend. Companies will respond in turn to bump up their prices, negating any kind of increase in purchasing power (what happens every time minimum wages get increased), and once everything catches up and it becomes the new "normal", profit rates will continue to drop as they always have.
Meanwhile the states will bleed money paying everyone UBI and go in debt even faster which would result in austerity, abolishment of UBI, or more excuses to cut other welfare programs. There's a reason why there are pretty much no welfare states anymore.
It’s a slow way towards a better economic system without the need for a revolution.
We've had 100 years of unopposed reformism, and look where we are 🥀
The state isn't some friend that exists for the public good, it literally dances to bourgeois private interests by design. There will be no UBI or better healthcare or whatever unless material conditions and bourgeois interests necessitate it (to prevent a proletariat revolution is one example). There's a reason why it's called a dictatorship of the bourgeois.
No, both ways are completely shit - monetizing a hobby or a hyperfixation is the fastest way for it to burn out and make one hate it, speaking from experience. Companies as of "late" have been using this horseshit to get more out of young and impressionable people as well, by working them to the bone and "giving them purpose", making them burn out then throwing them away for the new generation.
That's not to mention the other issues if it worked as "intended" without burnout, such as increased competition depressing wages and creating more poverty since that's how capitalist mode of production works. The only way out is to abolish the present state of things, including wage labor so we make things for their use value, not profit.
Agree, we should exploit autistic people's hyperfixations for profit 🥀
You support UBI because it would create an utopia
I support UBI because it would literally destroy the economy
We are not the same
Calling for a reform.... current parties are too focused on corporations and their own pockets.... fundamental rebirth of a nation.... now where did I hear this before....
(No matter the party, nations are still bourgeois dictatorships - if you change the parties or their names, the existing material conditions will force parties to behave in more or less the same way (best seen with crises of capital). This applies to every nation in existence, it's just less pronounced given less dominant economic position + internet being mostly US centric. The only way to permanently fix this is to get rid of underlying social relations and what manifests them e.g. private property, commodity production, wage labor and so on.)
Never ask a woman her age
A man his salary
A leftist/anarchist on here and Reddit their take on land back, Palestine, what the issue was with African colonialism or Syria. The answer is predominantly nationalism in one form or another
"the movement has been coopted by liberals" wdym, the movement itself is straight up liberal, no matter how one spins it. Abolishing ICE = returning to status quo of 2003 in that one regard, and the hate is directed towards merely towards the current administration and it's undisciplined lackey org rather than state violence as a whole (which every administration did) and capital's need to get rid of excess reserve army of labor.
Critical support to millionaires and billionaires for donating what's chump change for them towards charity. True anti-capitalist patriots in control
But for real though, while it does alleviate suffering and could potentially save lives (not all lumpens are the same), it ultimately just helps stabilize capital and keep the reserve army of labor at survival levels. If you wanna do it then go ahead, less suffering is always good in a brutalizing system that we have, but it just isn't anti-capitalist in any way.
- JumpRemoved
Why is Lemmy taking this down?
activism
Also lmao at the traitor narrative, very funny and hitlerite
Not when someone is still learning about what capitalism is and how it works, how it relates to class society as a whole, what its contradictions, roots actually are and so on. One has to first learn about what they're fighting against before delving into deeper things like tactics or exactly how society would be transformed, otherwise you're just going to be making the same mistakes as utopian socialists of 19th century, or online socialists who haven't read anything and just going by vibes.
Marxism is as much revolutionary as it is explanatory, without all the ideology and 'oughts'.
Imma be real, browsing lemmy and seeing liberal and leftist nonsense, the "resistance" (taking a sick day off is now a general strike apparently) and the general teamsport politics do make me want to start kkklacking at the keyboard and go full third worldism
Too bad every country is hitler and thirdworldism is just nationalist moralism