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It would certainly explain the absurdist hellworld we appear to exist in today, that’s for sure.

Man do I love me some backhanded compliments like this one.

Now that brings back memories, old barrens chat was such an early 2000s meme-fest.

“For every complex problem there’s an easy and simple solution that is wrong”. But yes, I agree with you that there doesn’t seem to be a solution to the problem other than to introduce consequences for this kind of hateful ideology into society again.

It’s something we’re not going to solve in a Lemmy comment thread, but this “paradox of tolerance” is something governments the world over struggle with.

And you are correct in saying that bad actors will find a way to leverage any perceived weakness (tolerance, kindness, decency) against you, because they experience no moral or social repercussions for doing so. It’s the same reason something like the “Gish gallop” works, if you face no repercussions for lying exploiting the societal framework against your opponent by shifting the onus onto them to stay truthful and refute your lies mean you get to shift the burden of work to them, meaning it’s easier and faster to lie and keep lying.

And yes, you are also correct on how curtailing speech by legislation can be a slippery slope, malicious actors will likely leverage whatever you come up with to curtail hate speech and inciting of violence against their targets groups into the exact thing they will use to then attack the liberties of those groups with. I just don’t think not doing anything and letting societal repercussions do the job for us is working all to well either (see the rise of Nazi and other extremist right-wing ideologies).

This is the kind of emotional intelligence that the vast majority of the population lack. And I am not sure how we can get more folks to get to this point.

While you are not wrong, the enemy of “perfect” should not be “good”.

In this case, presuming folks get into a new vehicle ever 4-5 years on average (I know the number is skewing more toward 6-7 in the US, but the point stands) having them switch to a car that has a slightly higher production impact but makes up for it after the first 1.5 years of ownership still means we achieve net lower emissions. There are numerous studies showing that EVs, even when used on less clean electricity sources, drastically reduce total lifetime emissions compared to combustion engine vehicles.

And let’s not forget that we can power EVs using renewable sources (solar, wind, hydro) which is just an economically and environmentally more sustainable practice than the single-use burning of a bunch of hydrocarbons.

While I don’t disagree in principle on the importance of freedom of expression, there are edge cases like these where it becomes hard to justify the potential societal harm associated with certain types of speech.

Take your example - if we have more Nazis publicly express their hateful beliefs we risk normalizing their ideology, meaning that calling folks out for being a Nazi starts to lose it’s effectiveness to the point of it becoming just another political belief. So all your pictures and stuff you are proposing cease to be effective, and may even act as further normalization of their hateful speech. All the while making the Nazi’s target demographics feel more insecure and ostracized in society.

As I said in my top comment, I strongly believe the tolerance of intolerance is, in itself, normalizing, promoting, and condoning intolerance. So while you are free to say what you want, once that crosses a line of inciting acts of violence or promoting discrimination, we should stop treating it as expression and consider it equivalent or at least related to committing an act of either.

If we don’t we end up with Nazi Germany before long.

“Has anybody ever noticed this powder keg might really like to explode? Again?”

I am honestly surprised it took this long for someone to warp freedom of expression right back around to include freedom of hate speech and racist symbolism. “Tolerance of intolerance is intolerance” applies here and I hope this is where the line gets drawn.

On the flip side, pay in Quebec for tech jobs is pretty terrible. I got an offer from several QC firms over the years and on average it was 20% below my current salary. I know that’s just anecdotal evidence and I will wholeheartedly accept that I may be the outlier, but it has failed to sway me to move out east personally.

Having moved here from Sweden, it’s about the same honestly. From my read on it, just about every public healthcare system is in crisis the world over because moneyed interests are applying political pressure and forcing the market towards privatization everywhere.

I took a job that had me working US west coast hours, which didn’t work too well time zone-wise. After a year or so I told my manager I was going to put in my resignation, and they offered to rehire me from their Vancouver, Canada office if I moved there myself. No moving support other than getting my temporary worker visa set up, so I had to find a place to live, move my belongings, etc. out of pocket. In hindsight I could’ve probably negotiated that, but that’s not really in the Swedish nature so I didn’t.

Ultimately, I am happy with the move though. I now hold permanent resident status and my wife has received citizenship. We’ve moved around inside B.C. a bunch as well over the past 10 years, but we’re now settled in a lovely place that combines all the things we loved about our home in Sweden and the amazing scenery this province has to offer.

DM we if you want more practical hands-on advice on things to do first, second, etc. when moving here and getting set up to work and live here.

We did pretty much that when we moved to B.C from Sweden, and while it’ll be hard to make ends meet without having two incomes the rest of the equation is pretty much doable.

Education isn’t (fully) covered by taxes here, but tuition is nowhere near as exorbitant as some other places. Similarly, public transportation in major urban areas is pretty good and affordable (compared to car ownership and maintenance at least), and health care (while struggling with the same issues of staffing as in Sweden) is covered by taxation (with the exception of supplemental secondary care like physiotherapy, but most employers offer this kind of additional coverage as part of your employment benefits).

As for employment, you’re in luck with the industries you picked, as the west coast seems to attract many businesses in those fields (and is actually getting a boost off the increased migrant hiring difficulties in the US right now).

Real OJ Simpson “If I did it” vibes.

Thank you for your service!

“Ontario still sliding towards authoritarianism”, this and other obvious news at 5.

There’s several historic examples missing here. Apparently being high on your own supply of nationalism doesn’t bode well historically. Who could’ve guessed that grossly exaggerating your own abilities tends to hit the wall of “unrealistic expectations” sooner rather than later?

We need a version of that GIF of Bugs Bunny sawing off Florida, but for Canada.

Give it a few more months. I fully expect the regime to come to the conclusion that deportation flights are too expensive soon, and when the countries they’re dumping these folks off at refuse to foot the bill, it’s a very short walk towards a “endlösung der Judenfrage” scenario.