I'm gaming out the realistic consequences of what a law will mean. It has nothing to do whatsoever if you approve if these companies or not to try and understand the consequences of what will happen if a law like this passes. You don't get to pick or choose if the speech is from an LLM or a company that gets limited or from an individual. There is no difference from a legal perspective.

And this law and approach to limiting speech to "protect people" from the stupid consequences of their own action, they aren't new. And we already know the consequences. Large corporate entities will just get around them or pay an inconsequential fine, and individuals will have their rights curtailed as a result

The entire thread here is falling for an incredibly obvious astroturfing campaign because they associate LLMs with big bad corporations and the real consequences these bad companies have wreaked. But limiting free speech on the internet won't stop them, what it will stop is our ability to communicate and resist them.

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New York considers bill that would ban chatbots from giving legal, medical advice

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TropicalDingdong @lemmy.world 1w ago

You aren't going to get to have it both ways. I promise you, what you are advocating for is such a profound disaster and this whole thing is being astroturfed by tech companies to goad you into limiting your own speech.

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TropicalDingdong @lemmy.world 1w ago

No real reason to elevate the US perspective on these matters.

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TropicalDingdong @lemmy.world 1w ago

Wikipedia, Google, chatgpt etc are not legal authorities or legal professionals.

Yes. And neither are LLMs or their derivatives.

The reason it's dangerous to get legal or health information from a chatbot is the same reason you wouldn't want to randomly trust reddit.

And yet people do, and we accept that as a necessary consequence of maintaining free speech as a principal.

The exact arguments being accepted in this thread are the same which led directly to crackdowns in Hungary, China, and Russia.

If you are okay with limiting and regulating LLMs as a form of speech, I promise it's your speech which will end up limited, and a very small number of companies will control all speech on the internet. You should stop.

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TropicalDingdong @lemmy.world 1w ago

Let's swap out a chatbot with a sloptuber on YouTube making up stuff about sovereign citizen nonsense. How about then.

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TropicalDingdong @lemmy.world 1w ago

That's a totally irrelevant comparison. There is no equivalent publisher of the law to the US House of reps. Nothing the Wikipedia publishes has legal bearing; Everything the house of Reps publish does have legal bearing.

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TropicalDingdong @lemmy.world 1w ago

I promise you, the result of this will be unlimited free speech for corporations and their LLMs, with limited and regulated free speech for you. Save or favorite the comment.

It's the same "protect the children" anti free speech advocacy in a different wrapper, but more appealing to this audience because "llm bad".

They're using your emotional response to not liking LLMs as a tool to trick you into giving away your rights.

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TropicalDingdong @lemmy.world 1w ago

Itt thread: People with absolutely no fucking clue about what the consequences of their emotional response of "ai bad" will actually result in.

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TropicalDingdong @lemmy.world 1w ago

Wikipedia isn’t giving you advice, it’s giving you information. There is a big difference between me taking information and forming an opinion, versus being given an opinion by a system that is responding to a specific situation explained to it.

Okay lets try this then:

Chat bots aren't giving you advice, it’s giving you information. There is a big difference between me taking information and forming an opinion, versus being given an opinion by a system that is responding to a specific situation explained to it.

Show me the difference.

Also, people get in trouble for giving legal advice,

No, they don't, unless they are genuinely misrepresenting their positions. Sovcit influencers are well within their rights to make up all kinds of gobbly-gookey-garbage pseudo-legal advice.

People who get in trouble are those that follow the gobbly-gookey-garbage pseudo-legal advice.

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TropicalDingdong @lemmy.world 1w ago

I don't think you are wrong, but again, thats not the case.

You're making an argument about speech here.

Lets say you make a fan website based entirely on fine tuned LLM which acts and responds as James Spader from Boston legal. Are you liable if a user of that website construes that speech as legal advice?

If you are willing to give up access to speech so easily, I have almost no hope for Americans in the near future.

What laws like this do is create an incredibly high pass filter to in positions of established power. Its literally suicidal in regards to freedom of speech on the internet.

The right answer is that if you are dumb enough to have gotten your legal advice from an AI hallucination of James Spader, you get to absorb those consequences. The wrong answer is to tell people they aren't allowed to build fan websites of James Spader giving questionable legal advice.