If Trump is such a threat to the American people, maybe American liberals should oppose him and do their own Jan 6. Will I see you there? Or is that too risky for you and you’d rather yell at people for not expressing support for the Democrats genocide?
Genocide isn’t a political football to be tossed around. It’s the most disgusting and atrocious thing someone can do.
If you aren’t even willing to risk yourself to truly oppose him, why are you worth more than all Palestinians combined?
How’s that been working for you?
The blue genocidal party lost just as I told them they would if they didn’t listen and stop doing genocide. So I guess I’ve been vindicated in my demands they stop.
I believe you did. You referred to me “doing it to them (other people)”. I’m other people.
Are you really going to debate bro me on whether I assumed you to be a white male or not?..going so far as to remove context to try and make specific phrasing seem pointed?
What you call “denying the humanity, feelings, and fears of white males” is a standard experience of every single other group of people (you’re literally doing it to them in the comment I’m replying )
You placed “white males” as a standalone group in your comment.
I stated that white males are not seperate from other groupings of people and by separating them into their own group and dismissing the struggles of other groups you are “denying the humanity, feelings, and fears” of all those other groups.
You don’t have to be a white male to do this… obviously…
Did I? I didn’t, in any way, make a judgement on the value or ethical implications…
Oh, you just are a debate bro…hhhfff
I didn’t, in any way, make a judgement on the value or ethical implications
You don’t need to.
I merely suggested, sarcastically, that it was a big factor in losing the election.
So this is when you, sarcastically, pushed the white male victimhood narrative.
You seem to be under the impression that this dehumanization is warranted, though.
What? So you don’t believe in the white male victimhood narrative and weren’t pushing it…but my rebuttal of the white male victimhood narrative signals to you that I support white males being victims…this doesn’t make any logical sense.
Do you think ranking people regarding their levels of assumed victimization due to ethnic, sexual or identity backgrounds is something desirable in general?
No. Hence why I opposed your attempt to “sarcastically” rank white males at the top of a victimization totem pole.
Edit: BTW…did you assume I’m not a white male?..
No, you did, and you’re mad that your genocidal candidate lost so you’re lashing out.
If you gave my vote to Kamala she still loses the electoral college by 70+ and the popular vote by 5million.
Maybe do some self reflection and growth instead of lashing out at people for daring to oppose genocide.
I mean… Do you? What things are you doing to address these issues?
Yes. The most basic thing I’ve done was demanding the genocidal party stops doing the genocide if they want my support which I’ve done since oct-8, their refusal to listen doesn’t change my demands or how serious I was in those convictions.
Also, did you assume I’m a white male? I’m not.
Did I? You pushed the white male victimhood narrative and I expressed why thats wrong, that doesn’t change based on your race/sex.
So your pro-genocide messaging/strategy failed and that’s somehow my fault?
Did you talk to your representatives/party phone bankers and tell them that their parties support for Genocide will cost them the election? I did.
Did you go to protests to make it known that genocide is a deal breaker for you and masses of others? I did.
It’s not my fault that democrats are genocidal right wingers who lost an election to other genocidal right wingers. I did my best to convince the Democrats, they didn’t do anything to convince me.
it’s a genocide not a conflict. You are engaging in genocide denialism. Imagine someone calling the Holocaust a “conflict in Germany”…
Netanyahu has already had free reign under Biden. Every single “red line” of Bidens was crossed by Netanyahu and later normalized by the Biden administration.
Who cares about genocide and actual demonization of immigrants.
The real issue is that white men weren’t the absolute center of attention for 5 minutes. Ignore the fact that she was replacing a white man, running against a white man, and her VP was a white man…white men are obviously the real victims here! /s
What you call “denying the humanity, feelings, and fears of white males” is a standard experience of every single other group of people (you’re literally doing it to them in the comment I’m replying ) and it stems from capitalist alienation, not “wokeness” or whatever.
Yeah, imagine if he did something absolutely evil like concentration camps and genocide…
Oh wait…Bidens doing that and Kamala made her intentions to continue doing so very clear…
Maybe you should turn that anger away from the people who oppose genocide, and toward the people who convinced you to support their genocide and that it would pay off for you in the end.
They held a “primary” where the party apparatus has already agreed to fall in line behind the sitting president and push through with no debates, where the only candidate on every ballot was Biden?
The primary where a mass movement still spontaneously grew to explicitly tell the democratic party that they weren’t committed to Biden which got 700,000 votes (almost 5%)?
Even ignoring the absolute undemocratic nature of the DNC primary as it existed…The primary in which Joe biden, not Kamala Harris won. While the only primary Kamala Harris ran in (2020), she was the first candidate to drop out thanks to total lack of support…
Yeah… Everyone can look these things up. No need to defend absolute failures of the party, it would be one thing if it worked, it didn’t.
Realize that things wouldn’t have magically gotten better if the other right wing candidate won and either way you have to keep going if you ever want to actually have things be better.
Imagine it like cleaning your room as a kid. You thought your mom was gonna come and ask you to do it, instead your dad barged in and yelled at you to.
Does one feel worse? Yes, does that change the reality of the situation? No, either way you must clean your room.
I’ve literally already had liberals tell me to prepare for Trump’s concentration camps to come back…when Biden never got rid of them in the first place (and they already existed under Obama)
Almost like the Democratic party regime has been propping up and funding Israels genocide while offering protection against any retaliation.
Trump will almost certainly continue the same practices, but that doesn’t change the facts of what the Dems did when they could have taken action to stop it.
Not fall prey to eco-fash narratives on overpopulation.
Sees lemmy.world
Sees weird .ML obsession and conflation of victims fighting oppressors with their oppressors
Yeah, not surprised.
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There are no good guys and bad guys.
2 groups of people who are neighbors and relatives and share a common heritage keep killing each other, mostly due to shitty rulers who have no interest in their peoples’ well-being.
Genocide isn’t bad? Palestine and Israel are just neighbors despite Israel being on land stolen by the British and Israel being propped up by western powers to oppress Palestinians?
You could say the same thing about almost any conflict.
2 groups of people who are neighbors and relatives ✓
Share a common heritage (European/German)✓
Keep killing each other ✓
Shitty rulers who have no interest in their people’s well being ✓
Seems like there were no bad guys in WW2/The Holocaust, because using power to oppress and conduct genocide isn’t what makes a bad guy apparently.
Yes. Trump’s incompetence is much more likely to lead to failure.
No. While you still draw breath and the genocide is ongoing, you can never say you’ve done enough.
Where did I say this was my only action? I specifically called it my “most basic” action, indicating I view it as one of the easiest/least impactful.
Yes, and I provided the context directly under where I accused you of removing it. I was speaking of the “white male” group you singled out in relation to other groups. You made it seem as if I was singling you personally out in relation to other groups.
This is the last I’ll say on it, since we both agree that the sex, gender and ethnicity of the other is irrelevant.
I’ve thought about it and have determined that white males do not face unique forms of discrimination due to them being white males, simply the same capitalist oppressions which used to be reserved for others. So to single them out as a unique group that is discriminated against is not based in reality.
"When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression "
Someone who’s desire for engaging in and “winning” internet debates is libidinal.
No, suggesting that their vote was lost due to the democratic party “denying their humanity, feelings and fears” implies they are victims of having those things stripped away.
So we have a core disagreement here (though I don’t see the relevance).
Respect is freely given but can be lost. How do you respect Nazis? Baby Hitler did nothing wrong sure, adult Hitler is a different story. We didn’t beat Hitler by hearing him out and defeating him in the marketplace of ideas. We pushed the Nazis in and he ate a bullet.
Another core disagreement.
these things were conveyed to white males. Far more than any other group. I’m expected to vote democratic party despite a genocide of my brothers and sisters in faith…Dems literally adopted Trump’s white nativist policies to try and appeal to white males and {1}you’re justifying their lack of support while combatting mine…
being stripped of your “humanity, feelings and fears” and having to face a total lack of empathy in the system, would be victimization. It’s just not something they face.
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