We need the get there yes, but not all on “the day after”. This is also the reason I suggested Pritzker as the best so far. He doesn’t seem to be shying away from the needed rhetoric. My biggest concerns are that he is just being opportunistic, and that he is a billionaire. Then again, FDR was super wealthy too, and whomever it is needs to be at least a little psychotic - which at least suggests a billionaire.
There a glimmers of hope. I think the number of people who see how Democrats contributed to where we are now are starting to outnumber those that don’t. It’s starting to look like we might have an honest to God progressive as mayor of New York, and the establishment has got to hate that.
It’s still a real fight in front of us, but we are seeing the cracks start to form. What we really need now is a presidential candidate. Pritzker is the best I’ve seen so far, but I’d really like to do better.
The lines between corporate America, the American government, and organized crime are thin to non-existent.
I attended a No Kings rally in a small suburb that nobody here has probably ever heard of. We easily beat Trump’s numbers. LOL
You just had a comment in this thread
Mods will mod. I don’t think that comment should have been removed, but I’m not going to protest it.
You trying to get your comments removed for slapfighting too or what?
I’ll go with “what”. I’m not sure the mods will penalize me for not following your commands.
let it go
It may go whenever it wants.
You don’t get to decide when others disengage, only yourself. If you don’t want more replies, just stop commenting.
What is this, an Abbott and Costello bit? The words in a sentence are important - all of them. There are differences between people being for violence (as if that’s a thing), people recognizing that violence is sometimes necessary, people thinking that violence is appropriate in response to this issue, and people calling for violence. Those all mean different things. Maybe you throw them all in the same mental bucket, but they are not the same. This is a symptom of thinking in thought terminating cliches. That used to be a Republican thing, but its sad how often I’m seeing it now on the left.
And I disagree… You and I are not going to agree on the violence thing.
Which is fine. There is nothing wrong with us disagreeing on that. The problem is when you mix that in with accusations that I (and others) support violence in cases where we don’t, or claim we are calling for violence in response to this incident when we have done no such thing.
Please disengage from this conversation.
Sure, I have no doubt that you can keep it going all by yourself. You really don’t need me for it.
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What does “violence is not the answer” exactly mean? I see several people pointing out that it sometimes is the answer. I don’t see anyone calling for violence as a reaction to this incident, which is what you claimed.
So, nobody.
Current New York Post headline: Former appointee of Tim Walz sought in ‘politically motivated assassination’ of lawmaker and husband
I agree with outrage. I don’t agree with violence as a reaction though.
Who called for violence as a reaction? Anyways, it doesn’t seem like this guy is likely to come quietly when the cops find him, so I do have to wonder what you think the cops should do if he is armed and refuses to negotiate or surrender? Some level of violence may just end up being the correct reaction. We shall see.
Be sure let us know how your FBI interview goes after they read this thread.
Uh, OK. I’ll stay by the phone.
I never said it was a both sides problem
I can do that to. I never said that you said it was a both sides problem. You just presented it that way and made no effort to avoid that interpretation.
republicans are hoping for a violent uprising. Because they outnumber you and are trained better than you.
They outnumber me personally? Sure, I’m just one guy. Outnumber the left? LOL, not a chance. Better trained? I kinda doubt it. They might be better at some things, but those chuds can’t plan their way out of a wet paper bag.
If people couldn’t even be bothered enough to do something easy like rise up and vote
Gosh, I wonder why that is. Just imagine what would be coming from the right of it were two Republican Senators. Whatever you are imagining, I’m pretty sure you know it would be passionate. Meanwhile Democrats are giving the same old bloodless speeches that sound like they were worked on by a dozen consultants before being handed to a talking head with instructions to “add pause and a couple of tears here”. Then they hand it off to a newscaster who laments about how “polarized” politics has become. Democrats have no passion, and that is why they lose.
“Now, I know they are killing us now, but we really should stop to consider if leftists might be a little violent too”. Yep, that’s exactly why Democrats consistently fail to inspire anyone.
you think they are suddenly gonna join in on a violent mob uprising against the government?
Um, no? Why on earth would you assume I think that?
This violence is the answer mindset is exactly what this shooter had.
Oh, you’ve met him? When did I say violence is the answer?
The comment in question pulled a “both sides” on an issue that is beyond overwhelmingly coming from the right side of the spectrum.
Two Democratic state Senators were just brutally attacked, and at least one killed. That’s not the time for Democrats to introspect, it’s a time to be outraged.
Drawing some kind of similarity between internet commenters wishing a conservative assassin had succeeded in killing Trump, and a (almost certainly) right wing chud actually assassinating two Democratic Senators is bullshit. Political violence in this country comes almost entirely one direction. Pretending otherwise just blunts that reality and makes future attacks all the more likely.
Just to refresh memories, the assassination attempts on Trump were done by people with right wing backgrounds.
I just got back from a peaceful “No Kings” protest in Illinois, and aright wing chud waving a Trump flag swerved his oversized SUV right onto the shoulder in front of some protesters. This is not a both sides problem.
Exactly. There is no such thing as a labor shortage, only activities that people don’t think are worth the cost.
if we currently had stricter gun control
The original comment I responded to was “let’s not act like a gun control zealot is what the US “left” needs right now”. Right now, we don’t have those stricter gun control laws, so your theoretical universe with the slippery slope is irrelevant. This is a race for NY Mayor, and Mamdani is exactly what we need right now.
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Gun control isn’t disarming everyone.
In the US police would probably fire back with real guns, or charge them with domestic terrorism. To be fair, we do have a lot of cunts in this country that would load the guns up with acid, piss, or American beer - but I repeat myself.