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  • Are the other of the nations of the world really so helpless? Hopeless? If you want to roll over and die, that's up to you, but if it were me, I would fight to the death, even and especially if it were a lost cause. I mean, look at the guerilla fighters who fought back against the mighty US in Vietnam or Iraq. They gave the US hell and they sure didn't have trillions of dollars to work with. Sure, the guerilla fighters lost a lot, but they made damn certain that America didn't "win."

  • If you have a better idea, let's hear it.

  • A coalition of nations that are opposed to imperialism needs to be formed. Only a world united against imperialism can stop these imperialist powers.

  • Exactly. The majority aren't going to take action against something that isn't on their radar. The majority may just be along for the ride, but that doesn't change the destination.

  • Some Americans absolutely want this. But, yes, it's probably not a majority. Of course, I don't think the majority can, or will, do anything about it.

  • The world needs to take the threat of the US very, very seriously. Don't assume that upcoming US elections will fix the problem. There's no guarantee those elections will even take place. Take steps to protect yourselves now.

  • I made a mistake. I typed lower case "liberal" when I should have typed upper case "Liberal."

    You're right that a rules-based global order would certainly have some liberal characteristics. What I'm saying is that a rules-based order does not have to be purely ideologically Liberal, as in strictly adhere to the tenets of Liberalism, in order to be a functioning rules-based order. In fact, I think it would be best if the order were ideologically secular, otherwise non-Liberal nations would be left out of the order, significantly reducing its effectiveness.

  • I guess the way I understood the original intent was that we were attempting to set up a bulwark against further expansion from European colonialism.

    That was the original intent. That is absolutely true. But the doctrine has evolved or expanded since. One major addition was the Roosevelt Corollary, right around the turn of the 20th century.

    The corollary states that the United States could intervene in the internal affairs of Latin American countries if they committed flagrant wrongdoings that "loosened the ties of civilized society."

    Eventually, the "wrongdoings" came to include anything related to the "spread of communism."

    I don't think the average American citizen wants hemispheric domination.

    That's probably true, but some Americans absolutely do want that, and many of those people are a part of Trump's political coalition. This new enhanced version of the Roosevelt Corollary is sometimes called the "Donroe Doctrine" or the "Trump Corollary."

  • Your sentence about control over the Western hemisphere implies that the majority of Americans are pro-imperialist.

    Aren't they?

    The Monroe doctrine has evolved since 1823. It has been invoked or used as inspiration or justification for US involvement, solicited or unsolicited, in the political and economic affairs of several countries in Central and South America, especially those with socialist governments.

  • Even major European allies, more cautious and measured in tone, carefully signaled concern about the operation’s legality while largely aligning with the U.S. on policy.

    Grow a pair, Europe.

  • Is the edict not the Monroe doctrine? Or some modern iteration of it?

  • We need a rules-based world order, but it doesn't necessarily have to be Liberal. If the countries of the world decide that the rules-based order should be Liberal, fine, but if a majority of countries decide to embrace a different ideology, or decide to be ideologically secular, then so be it. The important thing is that the rules-based order be democratic. That's what matters most.

  • I'm not comfortable with any of this, but, like I said, I've been overruled.

  • The majority of the Americans who voted in the last election voted in favor of that government. That's where our morals and values are, overall. You and I might care about the Venezuelan people, but we have been overruled.

  • Is the radical left in the room with us right now?

  • Deviation from the edict is breaking it's terms.

    Yeah and I don't think the American people want to deviate from the edict. I think a majority of us support the edict, either tacitly or explicitly. I think they want our country to have ultimate control over the resources of the Western hemisphere. And maybe the world, at least eventually.

  • The recently released National Security Strategy also considered a rebranding of the Monroe Doctrine to guarantee US control over the region’s strategic resources.

    This is what the American people want, apparently.

  • enforcing an existing “oil quarantine” on the country

    If you still weren't sure whether or not the US gave a damn about the Venezuelan people (hint: we do not), this should settle it for you.

  • I'm afraid nothing will. Europe especially seems bound and determined to underestimate the threat we pose. Maybe they think we will restrict our imperialist ambitions to the Western hemisphere only, but if so they are very foolish. And, of course, they should oppose imperialism whether it's happening in their hemisphere or not.

    To all the Europeans reading this: we have told you who we are, we have told you what we want, in no uncertain terms. Believe us.

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