Ok boomer

I’m not saying people can’t be reformed, clearly they can, no argument there.

My point is that Naziism itself, or basically any authoritarian/fascist-esque government, has never been stopped without violence. In fact it’s so rare that one of the only times it happened we named it the Velvet Revolution and it required the collapse of the entire Soviet Union to prompt it.

(The rest of this is about the US, but can apply elsewhere. I’m going to use American examples due to the subject of this post, but it does apply virtually everywhere now.)

This is systemic at this point; the president of the United States is a fascist. The government will now be fascist. And as much as I like the idea of reforming each individual person, how exactly do you think that is going to play out in the US as it is today? The left in the US is extremely shy and pre-defeated. They don’t demonstrate in huge numbers, they don’t come together, they don’t reach out to other groups on a national scale and defend each other. Hell, members of the DNC immediately blamed ‘woke politics’ for their loss, and are completely out of touch with reality. Women/2SLGBTQ+/minorities of any kind now have no official party that fully backs them. So the idea we’re going to get a handful of LARPing dickless Nazi fanbois to change their tune and have that be the feel good story just won’t cut it anymore.

I’m not saying people have to go commit random acts of violence. I’m saying that the government has been co-opted. There’s no legal system to rely on any more. Women are going to need fucking Green Books for going from state-to-state. People in the US have already collectively shrugged when a school or gay club are shot up, imagine what they’ll be like now with Trump and his cronies in charge with the full Project 2025 narrative.

What I am saying is, in the time it would take you to reform these people 20 times their number will be created. If you’re a woman, LGBT, a minority, you need to come together and decide how you’re going to survive this. Is it make no noise, wait it out, hope staying hidden helps? Or is it get out there in numbers and challenge authority? What do you do with people in your community who are ‘traitors’ and tell those Nazi’s where to find the black woman hiding, the boy who came out to his parents and was chased out of the house with violence?

Those men standing there, waving Nazi fucking flags weren’t stopped. They weren’t arrested, they weren’t fined, the legal system thinks that waving the flag of a belief system that says only certain kind of humans should be allowed to live is okay, because they ‘deserve’ the freedom to do so, but women don’t have the freedom to control their bodies. That’s the system the US is now.

Good luck reforming them, I wish you the best, and I’m so sad at what is about to happen down there.

If you are from the US, need to flee, and are in the PNW, please DM me. I’ll do what I can to help you.

I teared up a bit reading your comment, I’m so sorry you all go through this, and continue to go through this.

The worst part is a lot of the men saying this shit, even here in this thread, consider themselves ‘Leftist’. They know it’s the wealthy causing fighting amongst the poors to distract, and yet still these men fall for it. They think there’s some ‘women’s agenda’ coming for them and never once look back and think to themselves ‘wow, thank god they want equality and not revenge.’

If you have examples of Nazi’s being beaten without political/other violence, I’d love to hear them.

The only examples I have of fighting Nazi’s are my grandfather travelling across the world from 39-45 killing them, and my grandmother hiding/getting Jewish people out of Holland while occasionally killing a Nazi in an alley. She went to a camp, but survived.

So again, would love these examples.

Why does it have to come to this every time?

I don’t know, why do men require people to use extra words not to hurt their feelings?

“Young men expect sex, but they also want us to not be able to have access to abortion,” Thomas told The Post. “They can’t have both. Young women don’t want to be intimate with men who don’t fight for women’s rights; it’s showing they don’t respect us.”

See, they even included parts like that, and still people are here whining about it.

What kind of attribution do I need?

Just the ones who conform to my incredibly contemptuous description of them (a majority of white women apparently).

That one, what the fuck?

Can’t you just infer that?

NO. No we can’t just ‘infer’ this.

Just the ones who conform to my incredibly contemptuous description of them (a majority of white women apparently).

Going to need an attribution there, champ.

Jesus Fucking Christ, do we literally have to have women say things like:

“Young men – not all, just some, well in some areas most, but a lot of young men – expect…”

This tiptoeing bullshit to not anger some fragile men is insane. I lived as a straight man for over 40 years and this new idea that men are somehow put upon whenever a woman brings up being objectified, or has an issues with interactions with /takes a breath some, but not all, just a large amount, enough to be traumatizing, particularly as it’s systemic to the patriarchy, men.

This is ridiculous semantic bullshit in response to women feeling like objects and pushing back.

We’re better than this, and I’m tired of watching us act absolutely horrible whenever women point out systemic, extremely frequent issues they have with men, and have to inch around it so as to not break our fragile egos.

What is a standard by your definition?

Human beings don’t come in ‘standards.’ 105 men are born for every 100 women, does that mean women aren’t ‘standard’ or ‘normal’? You’re using an appeal to definition, still. That isn’t how we talk about people. There are more common things, but there is no ‘normal,’ ‘standard,’ etc. We have imposed standards, through a patriarchal system, which I feel Ursula K. Le Guin can explain far better than I.

So when I was born, there actually were only men. People were men. They all had one pronoun, his pronoun; so that’s who I am. I am the generic he, as in, “If anybody needs an abortion he will have to go to another state,” or “A writer knows which side his bread is buttered on.” That’s me, the writer, him. I am a man.

No, you seem to still not get the point…

I honestly have no idea what your points are. I still have no idea what:

“I say its a interesting change when put into the context of the Internet “LGBT” people being toxic and don’t listen to anyone not LGBT many do identify as bisexual wich in return makes actually Bisexual people looked down upon by LGBT people”

That means. I get there’s a newspaper article about what happened to that poor woman, and I don’t doubt it happened, it’s not as systemic as implied. Seriously, please slow down, and explain this:

the Internet “LGBT” people being toxic and don’t listen to anyone not LGBT

What does this mean? Listen to straight people about what?

Most Gen Z LGBT are bisexual

So being bisexual is ‘normal’ then, is it? Does that make you abnormal?

I say its a interesting change when put into the context of the Internet “LGBT” people being toxic and don’t listen to anyone not LGBT many do identify as bisexual wich in return makes actually Bisexual people looked down upon by LGBT people

I’m bi and have never experienced that, nor has anyone bi that I know, but I also have to ask… do you know what the ‘B’ in ‘LGBT’ stands for?

into the context of the Internet “LGBT” people being toxic and don’t listen to anyone not LGBT

The invented context of what? How do ‘LGBT people not listen to anyone not LGBT’? For what? What the hell are you talking about? Is this a ‘Gay Agenda’ thing?

So just so we’re clear, in your chart here, every single age group, from Gen-Z to Traditionalists, has increased every year.

Huh, it’s almost like… these are numbers of openly LGBT people… and the more they are accepted, the more come out. And given that 1/5th of Gen-Z are already identifying that way, what will the number by in 2030?

You are using an appeal to definition and look absolutely childish.

I’m non-binary, and even my parents were shit about it when I came out. If you’re ever feeling dysphoric because of, oh I dunno let’s create a scenario: Some moron online tries to use right-wing junk-science make you feel lesser or abnormal because they feel powerless and all they can think to do is punch down like the cowards they are…

Then listen to this song, and know that I’m here, listening to it too, right beside you. Don’t let these bigots get to you, because that’s how they win, they make you doubt yourself. You know who you are, they know shit and they aren’t fucking psychics.

Smash the patriarchy, punch a Nazi, and surround yourself with love.

I may be a trans girl but as far as most people are concerned I’m a normal girl

Girl what the fuck. You are a girl, there’s no “concern” to it.

EDIT: To whomever downvoted me, one day they’ll come for someone you do care about, and you’ll remember this moment in shame and self-loathing.

Maybe. If so, Slipknot was right and people really do = shit. I cannot imagine saying to my women friends and family “okay so you’re losing bodily autonomy, but I’m super exhausted about this whole voting thing.”

I know more light skin racists than dark skinned ones, so I cancel you out and then some.

That’s how this, works, right?

It’s that people who would have otherwise voted for Kamala, including many of those who did vote for Biden, just stayed home. “We’ve got policy plans and whatever” yeah that would never make it to implementation through a gridlocked congress and a hostile supreme court.

I honestly think you’re giving them more credit than they deserve. My point is that a _rapist, fascist, cruel, racist, misogynist who has said aloud all the horrible things he will do was running for office and a lot of people just shrugged their shoulders and refused to vote. I can’t imagine that kind of apathy when a fascist is taking over. “Sure Hitler and the Nazi’s are bad, but what am I going to do, vote socialist?”

(Also this because people need to remember he was anti-capitalist as well.)

They’re gonna vote based on vibes, so you have to get the vibes right or the average person won’t vote for you.

And you can’t fake vibes by having a bunch of celebrities around.

So why’d they vote for a rapist who is in pictures with goddamn Epstein? That’s the part I don’t understand. Are we seriously saying the average (American) is okay with a rapist being president because they like his vibes?

And they’ll just downvote anything you say, because you’re the bad guy now, regardless of what you’re talking about.

I’m just curious what it must be like to be so fragile. It’s like any time they aren’t being directly supported they fall apart and lash out at everyone around them. The hardest part is watching women calmly wait out the guys’ tantrum, then try to carefully explain to him (and in a way that makes him Feel Like A Man still, ever holding his hand emotionally) what is happening and they will still freak out.

It really is just embarrassing.