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  • This is also a weird case, because the problem with age difference is maturity, which is not measurable as of now. A 30 years old dating a 50 years old is weird, but less than a 20 years old dating a 40 years old, and yet all of these also can vary based on individuals. And most people wouldn't see a problem with a 70 years old going with a 90 years old. That's why it's struggle to make well-defined laws about it.

    For incest, once again, the problems are the norm, and then maybe you can find some exceptions. But why push it to be fine and allowed, when it doesn't bring anything, again? It's just opening for more issues to come, with no real benefit because incest is, in most cases rather than not, a problem.

    And how do you prevent problems of offsprings, or of dominant position? Do you have to sterilize by force people in such relationships, after having them investigated to check that the relationship is actually consensual? Who would need to have sex with their relative so much that they would want to go through all this? That's why I'm saying that it just feels like a lot of trouble and problems, for nothing good.

  • With the difference being that incest brings a lot of problems that other relationships don't. Offsprings are one, I mentioned others, and I'm sure you could find more.

  • I mean, if you have a royal family, you're asking for this shit

  • What can be good about it that a normal relationship cannot provide?

    I can't imagine a single answer. Thus, "nothing good about it" seems accurate.

  • I mean, homeschooling can definitely cause that kind of issue.

    The difference being that there are good sides to it too, while there are no good sides coming from incest, and trying to equate the two seems a bit far fetched and incoherent.

  • I mean, this is more of a problem with capitalism than anything else. It applies to everyone, people are encouraged to become fucking businessmen and scam everything and everyone for any cent they can. It's definitely a problem that needs to be solved, but I don't think it invalidates what I think.

    I mean, the logic applies to a lot of other things, is free healthcare bad because rich people use it to not pay things that they can afford, and don't pay taxes for it? Nah, it just means that this point needs to be fixed, but free healthcare stays good, because of how it helps the people that actually need it.

  • It's more of a question of what is healthy psychologically. Staying to close to one group socially makes a sort of echo chamber, and that's always a problem.

    And that's what I mean with "weird shit", things like racism are quite known to be increased in people that are not in contact with people of color for example. Echo chambers are generally bad, and I feel like this would create a very strong one ("us against the world" and whatnot)

    DNA doesn't matter when it comes to kids if you don't have a background thought that is at least a bit problematic. It's not about what matters to them only, but also about what is morally wrong. This "DNA is everything" thing is extremely toxic

  • I mean, when you see most programmers, you want to believe it :)

  • Yeah, because no one racist ever tried to mix the concept of ancestry and geographical origin to imply the existence of races.

  • I did not call you racist, I was on the contrary pointing out that the only thing that can make it controversial is the wording.

    My point was, this is not a controversial take, but phrased badly it can sound like one, which is probably the reason people would end up calling you racist. Not because what you say (and especially what you mean) is racist, but because it can sound like a red flag.

    And I totally agree with the fact that the origin changes nothing to humans, or to racism, because nothing will ever prove racism to be right scientifically. I wasn't disagreeing with you, just commenting on the "controversial" aspect.

  • If the two individuals aged for a significant part of their lives together, offsprings are not the only "harm".

    Forming relationships with people that are different (as in, not relatives) helps avoid the bad parts of the family structure (the weird beliefs, opinions, behaviours, etc, that are taught within a family but are not accepted outside of it). Without that, you can end up with something that seems like "cultural inbreeding" where the weirdness persists and grows, until it reaches weird shit.


    On a side note

    Arguably a similar effect already happens in western countries thanks to xenophobia, and that's why you have people that care so much about transmitting their DNA and having their own biological kids as if it mattered. This is just the remnants of a deeply racist culture that believes that you need to preserve your family line, and with it, your DNA. If people were mixing more with other cultures and origins, this would seem much more absurd.

  • I mean, it would be much less controversial to say "I believe that there are many unknown about the geographical origins of humans" and "our ancestors were not from Africa" (not exactly what you said, but exaggerated for clarity).

    One sounds like a generic question about prehistoric times, the other sounds like a racially charged propaganda piece.

    Sometimes things are about wording.

  • I mean what Russia needs is a deep change of regime and mentality.

    Frankly, I doubt that reducing the country to ashes or close, would do that, on the contrary: the more a population feels threatened and vulnerable, the more it gathers around it and refuses to accept change.

    A much smarter move would be on the contrary to be specifically kind to russians, why not by offering them asylum, papers, food, etc. Show them that their government is the problem, and that they have no reason to want war.

    If they have military dominance, start forcing open passages within russian territory, protecting anyone who wants to escape. And obviously, be genuine about it, and do try to actually give them a proper life, don't start packing them in refugee camps and telling them to shut up.

    That would weaken much more the russian government, make it much easier to trigger a regime change, and whoever escaped and wants to go back to Russia can, once the situation improves.

    Feels much better than to just push Putin to force-recruit all civilians and send them to their deaths, with the ones not fighting starving to death instead.

  • Well it's not like they've been supporting Israel and the genocide up until now, huh /s

  • More accurate title: "racist and xenophobic government changes laws in ways that shouldn't be allowed, to make asylum protections look like a charity that asylum seekers will need to beg for regularly, as a way to make immoral deportations legal."

  • Perceived complexity*

  • I mean, if you consider that there is a legal way to start a war, that's already a problem.

  • The question is more "considering the state of the world and the reality of computer programming job, should I consider becoming programmer" and the answer is no.

  • How do you expect mail privacy while using gmail?

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    The horrible morals of a show supposed to teach them