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  • 74 year ban in a community I never posted or commented in

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  • Well I'll give you my own experience: When I was growing !television@lemm.ee before lemm.ee shut down, the community collected about 5 frequent downvoters. None of these accounts ever upvoted. They never participated by posting or commenting. In a few cases, two of the accounts had no posting history on the fediverse at all. They existed purely to downvote. Whether because they didn’t like television as a topic, or hated news articles being posted - I don’t know. But they would, between them, always downvote posts and sometimes do so early - deprecating their visibility.

    Since moving to piefed after lemm.ee shut down, I've only had to do it again twice.

    I think it’s reasonable for a community moderator to decide that these accounts are unwelcome and ban them.

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  • Not really. Hypothetical: If someone who doesn’t like metal music enters !metal@lemmy.world and downvotes every post there - and commits themselves to doing it to every new post, this hurts their visibility across the Fediverse. Would you not say its reasonable, in this specific hypothetical, for the community owner to ban a user who does that?

  • Comics, memes, and art from a Bad place

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  • Legit question, how come you didn't make the French version on jlai.lu?

  • 74 year ban in a community I never posted or commented in

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  • All of the users in this case that I banned had a history of doing it in many communities. They were all just serial downvoters.

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  • Obviously banning people who don't vote at all, if you could see that data would be absurd because most people won't be upvoting or downvoting a given post.

    All of this is context-based. I can only tell you my experience, when I was growing !television@lemm.ee before lemm.ee shut down, the community collected about 5 frequent downvoters. None of these accounts ever upvoted. They never participated by posting or commenting. In a few cases, two of the accounts had no posting history on the fediverse at all. They existed purely to downvote. Whether because they didn't like television as a topic, or hated news articles being posted - I don't know. But they would, between them, always downvote posts and sometimes do so early - deprecating their visibility.

    I think it's reasonable for a community moderator to decide that these accounts are unwelcome and ban them.

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  • Whether or not downvoting in bulk is "trolling" or not, or is seen as that doesn't change that I would ban people for doing it on communities that I run. It is a descriptor that changes nothing here.

    I don't see at all why it is wrong to choose to ban a user who only interacts with your community by downvoting lots of posts.

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  • Are you under the impression I engaged with you first?

    Well sure, I initially replied to your comments in the thread about downvoting to provide wider context to why community mods sometimes ban people for downvoting. Because the cumulative impact of repeat downvoters is to negatively impact the spread of content from a community, weakening the ability for the moderators to grow it.

    You saw this thread, saw my comment, felt challenged then decided to try justify your actions and you want to have a cry about being replied to?

    I didn't feel personally challenged on this point.

    If you feel I am berating you stop replying to me and I’ll stop responding take some fucking responsibility jackass.

    Are you back to throwing insults again? Do I need to point out the rules of the community to you?

    And you reply to me, and I'll reply back if I have something else to say. I've always operated like this. My point about berating here is that banning for repeat downvoting is a normal fediverse practice done by a lot of moderators. You're pissing in the wind complaining about this.

    You have been all over the place with denying your own words, making up poor excuses then not understanding what an excuse is

    I've given explanations. I don't consider an explanation the same as an excuse. I'm not bound by your semantics.

    You have no integrity you could at the very least apologize for very weirdly attempting to deny your own words.

    I missed what I said initially in my opening post to you because it was an old copy and paste from myself that I bring out on this issue. In any case, are you really hung up on this? Whether or not I think they are "trolls" or not doesn't change the fact that I would ban mass-downvoters all the same.

    I mean that was just weird yea hindsight 20/20 you are just a dumb person but you could still apologized for it. You know the difference between right and wrong, right?

    I don't see any reason to apologise to someone currently hurling insults at me. Especially when I didn't insult you in the first place. You're hung up over a descriptor.

  • Why ActivityPub over Nostr? - function only

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  • Usenet certainly didn’t, nor does the web in the grand scale.

    Many communities that lack rules then and now are spam-infested slopholes.

    Nope, it would have to be removed just like always.

    So would it be mass-removed entirely to the point where no-one could see it no matter what their user settings are?

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    ‘Dan Da Dan’ Confirms Season 3 Airing in 2027, Unveils New Key Visual

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  • 74 year ban in a community I never posted or commented in

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  • Yeah, an early downvote after 2 minutes can be fatal to a new post.

    A downvote that comes in 4 hours after it was established after a dozen or so upvotes? Doesn't matter.

    Often it's as much the timing of these votes by repeat downvote enjoyers as compared to the bulk.

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    'Mitchell And Webb Are Not Helping' has been renewed for Season 2

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  • And if the upvotes don’t disrupt the community then neither should the downvotes suppress then - that’s a matter of algorithms for active/hot/etc.

    Downvotes do literally 'disrupt' a community though by reducing a community posts visibility. Sometimes that's legitimate in the sense that the post is in itself, based on the purpose of the community, ill-thought out, ill-devised, off-topic etc. Other times it's just based on the other users dislike of the community to the point where they downvote anything from that community they see. And we then are where we are. This thread.

    Now OP claims that they just downvoted based on their perception of the quality, not based on the community itself - and maybe that's true, but from a moderators perspective, if you're downvoting most posts on their community and offering no context, they're just going to assume active community vandalism.

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  • If that was true why did you come to this thread in the first place.

    To give my opinion. Why are you still here?

    No dude, you came in hard trying to justify banning random people based on your feeling.

    They aren't banned randomly. I've told you why they get banned. We're talking about accounts that downvote a lot of posts within a community.

    Yes downvote accounts should be banned but they aren’t really relevant to the discussion other than you trying to frame normal people as them.

    They weren't "normal people" in this context. Each account I banned were accounts that had a long history over the platform of mass-downvoting many communities and being banned from many other communities from doing so. As I said, some of them didn't even seem to use the platform to post or comment. All they did was downvote. You're berating me for responding like this to habitual community downvoters, when it's clear that it's a normality on the platform to begin with. Most communities will respond negatively to this. Users coming into a community to just downvote lots of posts has always been frowned on.

    As for "framing them" - why would I ban accounts on that reason who didn't really do that?

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  • I think it's perfectly reasonable to think that a user who never posts or comments on a community, but instead chooses to just bulk downvote content has no real interest in the community and therefore can be justifiably banned if the community moderator deems their downvoting damaging.

    In all cases, by the way, the accounts I did ban also had a mod-log of history of doing it elsewhere. They were just downvote accounts.

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  • I'm not speaking for whatever you did. Just generally, there can be legitimate reasons for community owners to ban specific downvoters.

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  • Yes but the people you banned didn’t mass downvote all content in the community you run.

    No, not literally every post. But a good chunk of them. And none of them had ever commented or made any posts. So I banned them. Some of them had no post or comment history whatsoever, as I said.

    We covered this already, you need to make leaps of judgement in order to justify this to yourself because you know what you are doing is wrong. No it isn’t deep.

    Why is it wrong? They never interacted there, (or even on the fediverse at all in some cases) and they just downvoted a lot of posts, sometimes straight out of the box. It was a pattern I observed and after observing it for a while, I banned the users who did it.

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  • When explaining your actions and you justify it by blaming something else… Wait because you didn’t intend for it to be an excuse you think it isn’t an excuse?

    Blaming what? It just is. Some people spend their time on the fediverse downvoting entire communities. As a result of that they risk getting banned from those communities. As I said, it's not that deep.

    Ah yes, you miss a lot. Yes yes I know you have painted pictures in your head of people based on meta data you dislike, that is what I am saying is part of the problem.

    I don't think about these users full stop. I just see that an account is mass-downvoting all content in a community I moderate and ban. When it happens. It's pretty rare.

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  • Is every explanation according to you an excuse?

    It’s kinda interesting to watch you deny things you said 2 posts ago like when you said multiple times you never called anyone a troll but it’s like right there for all to read…

    Ah yes, my original post (I was quoting myself as I've had these discussions before) was "downvote trolls". I missed that. Fine. Just "downvoters" then. People who downvote every post in a community. I'm thinking if someone does that, they simply don't like the community and it's completely reasonable to ban them for it if you find it damaging to the posts that they downvote.

    I don't believe there's ever a particularly good reason for someone to mass-downvote every post on a community - and in doing so they risk getting banned from the community. This is public knowledge on the Fediverse at this point.

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  • So now it is EVERY post and you know how they feel about a community? Has anyone you banned in the past met these latest requirements?

    Most posts. And I obviously don't know, but I'm thinking if someone comes into a community and downvotes everything that they probably just don't like it. It's not that deep.

    It shifts blame it is an excuse that is extremely basic. You should have absolutely no authority you are stupid as fuck

    Shifts blame to what? Who is blaming anyone?

    So you're getting personal now?

    I absolutely do literally have 'authority' over the community I run, and it's considered entirely acceptable by most instance owners for community owners/mods to ban people for mass downvoting without post/comment contribution.

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  • Intent does matter intent doesn’t matter you really are confusing me dude I can’t imagine this is easy for you, either.

    In terms of mass downvoting, it doesn't. From my perspective, they would just be a user who downvotes every post and who has no interest in the topic of the community. My instinct is that they likely just don't like the community.

    It would be wrong to think only a developer could fix something especially when it isn’t broken technically.

    You're right, the downvote-upvote system is working as intended - and community moderators respond as they choose to towards it. I think it's working much closer to "as intended" compared to Reddit actually.

    Your actions?

    They're not excuses, they're perfectly valid and justifiable reasons.

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  • You'll note that if you look at their mod log that they've been banned from dozens of communities for it.

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    ‘SNL’ Shocker: Bowen Yang to Exit Cast After Saturday’s Episode

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    ‘NCIS: Tony & Ziva’ Canceled By Paramount+ After One Season

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    ‘It: Welcome to Derry’ Finale Hits Record 6.5 Million US Viewers

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    ‘Haha, You Clowns’ Renewed For Season 2 and Season 3 at Adult Swim

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    'No, God No' — Game of Thrones Actor Kit Harington Says He Spent 10 Years Playing Jon Snow and Doesn't Want to 'Go Anywhere Near It'

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