Skavau

@ Skavau @piefed.social

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Community owner of !television@piefed.social and !obscuremusic@piefed.social

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1h ago

74 year ban in a community I never posted or commented in
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Skavau @piefed.social 1h ago

Very simply factually wrong. A downvote is a contribution in itself so there is that, pretty basic.
I don't regard downvotes as a valid contribution if that's all you do. If someone for instance dislikes metal music, and went onto !metal@lemmy.world and downvoted every post there, I would consider it perfectly legitimate to ban them for that. They're not meaningfully contributing. They don't like metal music. Their interaction is effectively vandalism.
Yes I am aware of the picture you are trying to paint against individuals you disagree with.
I don't really see how this has anything to do with disagreement. This has to do with communities not having their reach negated by people who disagree with the community itself.
Which leads to the obvious question really still unanswered: Why would anyone care if they're banned from a community for bulk downvoting in the first place? They clearly don't use it other than to show how they don't like it. So why would it matter?
It’s a trump style move. Things about you are starting to make sense…
What things about me would this be?

1h ago

74 year ban in a community I never posted or commented in

I am not misunderstanding you, you are misunderstanding me. What I am saying is that “only ban users who mass downvote and never contribute” is wrong, both factually wrong and morally wrong.

How can it be factually wrong?

I also disagree that it's morally wrong.

An individual can’t mass vote, a vote is a contribution. You are not a reasonable person, you know this by now right?

By "mass vote" I mean someone going down and downvoting every single post in the community. Not on a single post.

1h ago

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Skavau @piefed.social 1h ago

I never called them trolls for doing that.

Also, you misunderstand me. I would only ban users who mass downvote and never contribute. I don't ban users for downvotes here and there.

1h ago

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Skavau @piefed.social 1h ago

All moderators already make decisions based on their opinion.

As I said: If someone mass downvotes the majority of posts they see coming from a specific community on the feed and have no interest in the actual community topic (which seems obvious to me if they're only downvoting and have never contributed any posts or comments), that it’s a perfectly legitimate reason for the community moderator to ban them for that because of the impact that downvoting at scale has to the community.

2h ago

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Skavau @piefed.social 2h ago

Who did I call a troll?

2h ago

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Skavau @piefed.social 2h ago

I never called anyone a troll.

2h ago

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Skavau @piefed.social 2h ago

Whether or not it is malicious or not isn't relevant really. The effect is still the same.

Again you are trying to paint someone with a different opinion than you as deserving of mod actions.

I mean, speaking broadly - that goes for all actions. If people abuse others or harass others or throw out slurs then I also regard that as "deserving mod action".

All I'm saying - and being outright open about it - that if someone mass downvotes the majority of posts they see coming from a specific community on the feed, that it's a perfectly legitimate reason for the community moderator to ban them for that.

2h ago

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Skavau @piefed.social 2h ago

Has nothing to do with sensitivity. Just simply not wanting new posts to be buried because of random repeat downvoters who clearly have no interest in the community. My community is now long-past this, but it wasn't always.

2h ago

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Skavau @piefed.social 2h ago

Buddy listen to yourself “why would it matter if they’re banned?” and yes you did use the term (((troll))) as a way to justify your actions against individuals you disagree with.

You realise I'm not the person the OP is referring to, right? I'm just saying that mass-downvoting all posts in a community can be harmful to that community and thus sometimes is reasonable for the community owner to ban the person doing it if they have no other contribution and clearly just outright dislike the community.

3h ago

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Skavau @piefed.social 3h ago

I didn't use the term "troll" - just that mass-downvoting of content in a community that you don't engage in is harmful to that communities health and stunts its ability to grow if its sustained.

Whether or not they're doing it to curate their feeds or not is irrelevant, the point is that it is unwelcome bulk downvoting that only harms the community. If they have no interest in it, and are never going to post in the first place, why would it matter if they're banned?

3h ago

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Skavau @piefed.social 3h ago

Does the situation I refer to above sound like power-tripping to you?

3h ago

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Skavau @piefed.social 3h ago

It's context-driven. Small communities trying to build can get visibility hammered by random downvotes. Downvote trolls can be a problem for small communities trying to build up as they can successfully bury threads. I managed to discover the serial downvoters on my old television lemm.ee community and when I banned them (about 5 of them?) it had a huge impact. They didn’t all downvote /everything/ but they downvoted a lot of things, and they had no contribution to their names. Some of the accounts in question literally had no posting history. These accounts just existed to downvote.

Now, I wouldn’t just ban random accounts for occasional downvotes spread out over a time period - but if I kept seeing the same names on threads (and they never actually engaged with the community) with no discernable pattern of downvoting - that's a different story.

Now, did abbotsbury's behaviour justify that? I have no idea. I'm speaking generally.