Fair enough - for me, if someone is happy to have a typically binary gender expression / presentation, then it doesn't make sense for them to identify as non-binary.
I think there needs to be something, otherwise the thing to advocate for is to have no labels at all
All interesting questions ... my comment you're replying to was pretty shit, but you're adding good depth.
I'd say that enby is a catch-all term, and rejecting gender altogether is (or can be/should be) included in that.
Given the context of how people in most western societies grow up, especially those of us who were punished for not following gender norms, it's pretty easy to come up with a list of things which are considered typical, and where a threshold for being considered definitely of a binary gender would be for their society.
My first reply was "feels like enby erasure" ... your last reply before this one was talking about enby erasure from the same point of view.
If you've got tied up like a pretzel over this, that's your problem ... as I said earlier, I lashed out and that was unreasonable of me. Now you're the one being unreasonable - I'll have you know I'm not a "miserable little gremlin". I'm actually quite large.
Because I was talking about 2 dimensional characters in a cartoon (which I now understand was not originally drawn to be about enbies, but didn't realise at the time) ... you are a 3 dimensional person with your own thoughts and feelings.
You took my comment regarding erasure, which came from my feelings, and wanted to shame me into silence. So of course I lashed out, because I'm not always emotionally mature.
I feel crushed under the weight of everything in mainstream media being hyper binary, so when I see a meme about enbies that presents people as being androgynous it's like rain to a desert flower. Seeing a meme talking about gender diversity with two images of idealised hyper binary characters has the opposite effect.
Lesson learned. Next time I see something that upsets me, I'll be good and not say anything.
So, to be clear, you're saying that someone who is happy to present as their gender assigned at birth, behave like their gender assigned at birth, who doesn't feel dysphoria, and is socialised as their gender assigned at birth can be non-binary?
Why would I think that anyone owes me androgyny? I just think that if someone is shown as living a happy life in a specifically binary manner, they aren't representative of enbies.
Of course people can present how they want, or how they need to in order to survive, and will still be valid. This comic didn't give me that impression.
Big ditto on wanting androgynous representation ... or blending outside of the binary representation!
To my eyes, both characters appear to be drawn in an extremely feminine manner.
If anybody wants to both present themselves and behave in an entirely binary manner, but feels differently on the inside, then that's entirely valid ... I think most of us have at least struggled with that at some point, if not for most of our lives.
But that's not something being shown or described in this comment. There are rafts of comics depicting binary people, so from that the comic seems at best to be lazy or perhaps thoughtless.
Ah ok, yeah sorry I didn't get that at all :-/