This shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone, but sadly people wouldn’t listen, they were (rightfully!) so desperate to get the tories out, they didn’t want to hear that the establishment had arranged for them to be voting another one straight in.

And they also don’t want to hear that this was entirely intentional, that it is a well established way of getting the blue tories back in and worse than ever next election, and that continuing to play this silly game of “vote for one of the two people we’ve approved for you to vote for” is ever going to benefit us as a society, but only the ones manipulating us in to keeping them in power.

And so the exact same cyclical shit will keep happening.

(sarcasm. the CCP is hatefully repressive to queer identities.)

And yet, here you are, making this post.

Would you be making a post giving trump props if an occasion happened where he was the broken clock that happened to be right that one time? No? Then what are you doing here? (I don’t need you response, this is something you should be asking yourself)

Oh, they’re definitely people, just class betraying, oppressive, abusive people, who dedicate their lives to work exclusively in service of even more oppressive and abusive people, in exchange for some power to trip on.

I couldn’t give two fucks what a bastard would like ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I wasn’t going to engage, because lets be honest, there’s no point, but I happened to scroll past these the other day, and you’ve given me a good opportunity to use them, and others might enjoy, so:

a country that only cares about billionaires and companies

So… Both countries involved?

Homelessness doesn’t exist because of a lack of housing.

Social mobility just works in both directions, and about as often.

Yeah, no, that’s a massive streaming pile of self soothing bullshit that isn’t convincing anyone but you.

Let’s say that you have an opportunity to gain billions to fix the society from the top.

Society can not, and never will be, fixed from the top.

Nor is money the solution to our problems, if anything, it is a huge part of the cause (and why communism aspires to a moneyless society, among other things).

So even if I say I’d only accept the money if I could instantly redistribute it, as long as other billionaires, and the systems that create and uphold them, exist, my personal actions would probably make little difference in the long run, and any money I shared would end up right back in their pockets (by virtue of how capitalism works).

They also categorically do not get quality healthcare or education.

Lol, sure thing buddy…

E: on a more serious note, the fact that the prospect of having all your needs met just because they should be, makes you think of prison is not only absurd and concerning, but mostly a testament to how powerful capitalist indoctrination is. You should look in to that.

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Lmfao, oh yeah? Which prison is that?

Thanks for the heads up.

OP - my feedback is fix this.

Ok, fantastic! I definitely agree with trying it out more open at first and then adjusting as/if needed when issues come up. Which they’re bound to, because we’re a bunch of random people on the internet after all, but I think addressing them as they come would be easier both on you in terms of not having to plan ahead for every eventuality (easier said than done, I know), but also easier to resolve each individual issue, because it’ll be right in front of you/the community to assess and consider as is, rather than a hypothetical.

Thanks for taking the time to talk things through and clarify, it is very much appreciated, and is a great sign of things to come!

Maybe I’m misunderstanding? From what I gather from this post, while those who have been vouched for (and thrediverse enjoyers) can vote, but only those who donate can open threads up in the relevant comm, which to my understanding is the only way to bring issues up for a vote in the first place? That seems like more privilege.

Like I said, I hear you, and I understand that it is a complicated issue to resolve, and that this is only an initial solution, but that you are aware and taking it in to consideration, and I’m genuinely not trying to give you a hard time or be a pain, just wanting to keep my concern on the record.

Subscribed.

Now I know we’ve discussed this and that you’ve clearly explained why this is currently the case and heard and understood my concerns (as I have yours), and also clarified here that it is just an initial solution, so I’m not trying to rehash the discussion, but just want to stay on the record saying that I am uncomfortable with those who can donate money being given more privilege/power, however seemingly minor, than those who can’t, and I am really hoping a better solution can be worked out eventually.

Either way, thank you for all the time and resources you have and are investing in this instance, this development is genuinely exciting, and I can’t wait to see how it’ll work in practice!

Good on you!

Yeah, like I said, I understand that they are not the same and that online communities bring up challenges that irl ones don’t, but I think we should still try to apply as many of the same principals to online communities as we would to irl ones as possible.

That said, I absolutely recognise that not everyone has the funds or energy to be seen, which is why I want to provide other ways for recognition to happen.

Cool, that’s basically the point I was aiming at with far too many words lol and just to reiterate, none of it was criticism or doubt of your admining, just wanting to highlight potential pitfalls.

Re flairs and tags, thanks for clarifying! It’s completely understandable that it isn’t a top priority, it isn’t one for me as a user either, though I do like the idea of a personal strike system for milder offenders before resorting to blocking lol but also to highlight friendlies, since I’m terrible with names 😂I’ll have to keep an eye out for interesting extensions…

Well if someone cannot donate and cannot be seen contributing in any way, there’s very few ways to validate they’re a contributing member in the comm

Change online “comm” to real life “community” and that becomes pretty problematic (we should not be relating levels of contribution to levels of rights and power/say).

I’m genuinely not trying to give you a hard time, and I understand that the two are not the same, and that running an online community has its unique challenges (anonymity, trolls, sock accounts, vote manipulation, and on and on), but I also think it’s really important to keep the framing of things in mind because it can be so fucking easy to default, even without wanting or meaning to, to the hierarchal constructs we are familiar and surrounded with.

I’ve never run any community or organisation online or irl, not even modded a community (was only appointed as one on my previous shitjustworks account as a backup), so I don’t claim to fully understand the challenges you face in implementing this, or have a magic solution to offer, but I think these points are fundamental and worth highlighting, so I am.

As for the tagging, just to clarify, because I think I misunderstood what a tag or flair is, are they the same? I assumed a flair was the emoji looking things, and those it makes sense that only you can add, in my mind a tag would be like some of the apps have, where you can tag a user as say “troll” rather than blocking, but is that not a thing that is happening here? (sorry, I’m only just waking and baking lol)