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Riverside

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  • Real Breadwinner 🌟

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  • replaced it with state landlordism and political allocation which equally involves rent seeking behavior

    False. Housing in the Soviet Union was rented at maintenance cost prices, and on average costed 3% of the monthly income. This is not rent-seeking behaviour.

    In both Soviet Union and China land was collectivized, which removed incentives for land use, agricultural output fell and a famine followed

    Terrible analysis. The 1930-1933 Soviet famine was caused by economic and productive disadjusting due to the need for extremely fast industrialization, combined with drought and retaliation by landlords. After the initial drive for industrialization, agricultural output rose immensely due to usage of modern agricultural techniques and land reform, and hunger was actually eliminated. The big hunger episode in China was similarly not created by lack of incentive to cultivate the land, but by an ecological catastrophe caused by misguided anti-plague campaigns that eliminated a key part of the ecosystem in a time and society before ecological sciences were developed. Similarly, agricultural output rose rapidly after that and hunger was permanently eliminated. You can compare the exponential rises in life expectancy in the USSR and China after those episodes with similarly developed countries like Brazil or India respectively, and you'll find that this land reform and industrialization drive saved hundreds of millions of lives.

    Scholars have argued this is because economists like John Bates Clark (foundational to the still dominant school of economics: the neoclassical school) was paid by landlord lobby to make “land, capital and labor” into “capital and labor”.

    That's the biggest problem with Georgism. Policy is not something you can apply based on which one is ideologically better theoretically (which I don't even agree Georgism is), and Georgism, not doing any class analysis, doesn't provide answer to the most basic question: why would the landlords in power allow us to tax them? And if they don't, how do we force them?

    Socialism having had mass movements and success in expropriating the land from landowners is not a coincidence: since Marx and Engels put forward scientific socialism and Lenin advanced the idea of the vanguard party and of revolutionary tactics, the only revolutions in the world have been socialist.

  • Real Breadwinner 🌟

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  • Number of socialist revolutions that eliminated landlordism: several

    Number of georgist revolutions that eliminated landlordism: none

    Seems to me like this is more of a socialist argument

  • Real Breadwinner 🌟

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  • So what do you do for a living that you should be offering to everyone else for free?

    Teaching? Medicine? Those are services provided for free to the public. Why is housing, a literal human right that literally everyone needs, not provided either free or extremely subsidized?

    Landlords aren't any worse than Chefs who are charging you to eat food

    You're thinking of construction workers, the people sweating their asses to build the housing you inhabit, not the leeches between you and the housing that's already constructed.

    It might be great if we could find a way to move to a post-capitalist world although I don't know what that would look like

    How hard is "public rent either for free or for extremely low prices" to imagine?

    But they aren't the only problem in a capitalist society

    Agreed, they're part of capitalism, capitalist business owners are the other part of the problem

    many of the individual ones are just people trying to get by

    Housing shouldn't be allocated based on how lucky you are to get a good landlord or not, people shouldn't be at the mercy of landlords to enjoy decent housing. It should be a guaranteed right.

  • Real Breadwinner 🌟

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  • The landlord doesn't provide a place to live, they paywall it. The construction of housing provides places to live, landlordism only leeches off the poor classes who can't afford to buy housing.

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  • Ukraine from 2014 to 2022 was shelling eastern Ukraine (majority Russian ethnic territories) without any Russian invasion because two regions declared independence. This is the part where Russia is claiming ethnic cleansing and it uses as casus belli. I don't believe the genocide accusations because not everything bad is a genocide. We can condemn the invasion without making up genocides.

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  • I'm the bad faithed one? You don't engage with the fact that soviet-occupied "Poland" was actually Ukraine, Belarus and Lithuania, reduce the 10 years of collective security proposals under the Litvinov doctrine to "an agreement that was never gonna happen anyway", and you minimize the soviet war contributions in my own country against fascism 3 years before even WW2 started. You also completely ignore the fact that the English, French and Americans perfectly understood the Molotov Ribbentrop for what it was: buying time against Nazi invasion because they had been left alone by western Europe.

    Answer this question: what would have happened to the "polish" territories invaded by the Soviets had it been the Nazis instead (only alternative possible). Then explain to me how that's desirable.

    You're low effort in your response not because "I'm bad faith", you're low effort because you don't have shit to say to historical evidence contradicting your western-sponsored anticommunism.

  • Android will become a locked-down platform in 194 days

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  • I listed you the countries...

  • Me, a Hexbear tankie, seeing the piefed and feddit users malding after db0 defederated due to Zionism

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  • Huh, whaddyaknow, I thought not

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  • Do you really think States under war have no reason to do atrocity propaganda? And you're mischaracterizing what I said, I denied similar accusations made by Russia

  • Me, a Hexbear tankie, seeing the piefed and feddit users malding after db0 defederated due to Zionism

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  • So, I'm a tankie user from Hexbear. db0 and hexbear are not federated because, to db0, tankies in hexbear are synonym with redfash and nazbol, and to hexbear, db0 are libs. Db0 democratically choosing to defed from feddit is something that positively surprised me and I wholeheartedly support.

  • Me, a Hexbear tankie, seeing the piefed and feddit users malding after db0 defederated due to Zionism

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  • Tankie tesseract!!

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  • Zionist scum

  • Me, a Hexbear tankie, seeing the piefed and feddit users malding after db0 defederated due to Zionism

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  • Counting down the days until db0 joins the tankie triad muehehehe

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  • You even mention the site showing where you can browse

    Yes, I can browse unconfirmed pictures, not very useful

    You can go find testimonials from those returned children

    Returned? How? Wasn't Russia kidnapping them? Why would they return children kidnapped with genocidal intent?

    Again, I'm not doubting the existence of war crimes and of some children being kidnapped, I'm doubting the propagandistic numbers about it until I have independent journalistic confirmation of the scope of it. Doubting Nayirah's Testimony was the correct choice 30 years ago.

  • Request from a Tankie: numerical historical analysis on anarchist repression by communists during the Spanish Civil War

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  • I edited my comment as you were replying, just letting you know.

    Well, hopefully I can encounter some numerical sources. I understand that there's good intention behind anecdotal evidence, but I've further explained in the comment above to which you replied why it's not enough for me to form my opinion fully.

  • Request from a Tankie: numerical historical analysis on anarchist repression by communists during the Spanish Civil War

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  • Well, the Soviets are known for holding extremely accurate of such repressions within the USSR, the soviet archive on the Great Terror is universally recognized as the best source of information on the Great Terror itself, and those events are simultaneous. Even regarding the repression of some anarchists in Barcelona, the Soviets conserved the intelligence provided the spy Harro Schulze-Boysen of a Nazi plot to promote an anarchist insurrection in Barcelona during the war. I can understand it's not easy to give exact figures, but at least there must be estimates that can give information on the order of magnitude. Regardless, thanks for your time and good faith.

    As for why anecdotal evidence is insufficient to me: my great-grandad was actually murdered by the Spanish reds (not the communists). If anecdotal evidence was sufficient to me, I'd draw equivalencies between "both sides of the war being the same" because they both unfairly executed people. Referring to anecdotal evidence of nuns being sexually assaulted by the republicans and of innocent men being executed during the war is what the right wing does to equate both sides of the conflict, and what distinguishes one side from the other to me is not anecdotal evidence of war crimes, but actual numerical estimates and the goal of such repressions. The reds repressed to prevent fascism from spreading, the fascists repressed because they wanted to exterminate socialism and anarchism.

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    Riverside @reddthat.com

    Request from a Tankie: numerical historical analysis on anarchist repression by communists during the Spanish Civil War

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  • Partially funded by Americans and to a lesser degree Russians, primarily funded by Europeans

    Edit: to clarify, I don't believe Russia has less of an intent on controlling European politics than the USA does, it's just that the USA has a lot more power, money and relations with Europe, so it naturally has a lot more ways to influence our policy. As an example, Europe will (righfully) be very angry at Russia when it starts a war with Ukraine, but will join the USA in a war in Iraq.

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  • As a Spaniard (country which joined the European Community rather late), I can definitely confirm that it was pretty much explicit that joining NATO was a prerequisite to be accepted in the EU. The EU was born out of the Marshall Plan and of NATO.

  • ancient hyperfixations

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  • You may be answering to the wrong comment

  • ancient hyperfixations

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  • Totally went over my head, sorry

  • Memes @lemmy.ml
    Riverside @reddthat.com

    Me, a Hexbear tankie, seeing the piefed and feddit users malding after db0 defederated due to Zionism

  • Lemmy Shitpost @lemmy.world
    Riverside @reddthat.com

    Fixed the previous post: liberal dichotomy