PugJesus

Sorry that you don't understand that there's little difference between a totalitarian authoritarian hypermilitarized regime run by a vanguardist clique performing genocide and a totalitarian authoritarian hypermilitarized regime run by a vanguardist clique performing genocide painted red?

PugJesus @lemmy.world 4mo ago

Worst part is that MLK Jr. was absolutely correct in his incisive skewering of the white moderate of the time. The letter is about white folks stalling progress and doing nothing but pretending to be allies, and condemning nonviolent protest despite supposedly agreeing with the proposed ends, not the idea that anyone who could be characterized as a moderate is, instead, an enemy. Yet instead, it's often quoted as some kind of proof that no one who isn't a radical is worth so much as a second glance.

You will always have allies less radical than you. Unfortunately, many terminally online folk prefer to see anyone not as radical as them as an enemy, and then wonder why they're always fucking outnumbered.

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PugJesus @lemmy.world 4mo ago

Clearly he was insufficiently dedicated to the abolitionist cause. /s

PugJesus @lemmy.world 4mo ago

Nope I will not “cede the point”

As suspected, no amount of evidence matters. Only feels matter.

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PugJesus @lemmy.world 4mo ago

Extremely weak examples on a com thats often visited by other instances… this is now coming across as pure seethe from you. They’re still getting challenged and often made to look like clowns,

They're literally not getting challenged, unless one downvote and no responses from dbzer0 users is 'getting challenged and often made to look like clowns'.

and you are 100% cherry picking with the given examples when looking at the entire /0 instances attitudes and views strongly oppose tankie rethoric.

So if I go to Flippanarchy and give you the same kind of shite, will you cede the point?

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PugJesus @lemmy.world 4mo ago

Yes they are cherry picked, very rarely does that happen it simply doesn’t happen en masse.

So how many more examples do you want?

Oh, what am I saying? No number of examples would be enough.

Note how the tankie had a heap of downvotes along with upvotes

Oh, it's fine to have a majority in favor of tankie positions, as long as there are some dissenters along with it. I guess the Holodomor denial with one downvote is okay too.

& frankly a single comment with two.upvotes is really stretching the “/0 is tankie hurr durr” narrative you’ve concocted in your head.

I specifically noted that one not as upvoted, but as genocide denial left up by the admins. Sorry that you didn't read what I posted?

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PugJesus @lemmy.world 4mo ago

Again I dont see unruffled denying it nor downplaying it.

So if I said "Claims of Palestinian 'genocide' are mostly overblown and misrepresented by the left", and note 'genocide' in quotes, something which anyone with any decency in their body would recoil from, you, on the other hand, would regard that as neither a denial nor downplaying?

Also nice cherrypicked screenshots lmao, im done you refuse to engage in anythng resambling good faith.

They're cherrypicked screenshots because... I demonstrated exactly what you said didn't happen on dbzer0?

PugJesus @lemmy.world 4mo ago

She also advocated participating in the initial elections of the Weimar government, something which the KPD, unfortunately, refused in favor of attempting to take power through force, which led to the murder of many KPD leaders by the protofascist Freikorps paramilitaries - including Rosa Luxemburg, despite the fact that she was opposed to the coup attempt.

For a significant left party to be silenced for several years after that violence in the early history of the Weimar Republic may have changed history - and it's doubtful for the better.

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PugJesus @lemmy.world 4mo ago

This is just going around in circles, China isnt causing mass starvation nor flattening nearly every building in Turkistan its still bad what is happening but practically which one can we sooner do something about and what is the most imminent risk to a population outright carpet bombing, shootings and starvation or a shitty tankiestate using authoritarian measures to hack away at a culture quite slowly while at the same time investing in some infrastructure and public services in the region.

Okay? That's no reason to fucking deny or downplay it.

Again I dont see how unruffled was denying that China was doing shit, you’re grasping at straws.

My previous comparison:

“China is being shitty and authoritarian towards the Uyghurs, but it’s nothing like the genocide Israel is waging”, saying that Chinese influence in Myanmar is a more serious violation by the PRC than the Uyghur genocide is, and leveling a judgement of “PTB” - “Power Tripping Bastard” - towards the moderator of [MeanwhileOnGrad] for banning someone who was literally denying the Uyghur genocide.
Combined, that’s pretty distinctly defending Uyghur genocide denial, and I would say right up on the border of denying Uyghur genocide themselves.
If I said, “Israel is being shitty and authoritarian towards the Palestinians, but it’s nothing like the genocide the Nazis waged”, would you regard that as:
A. Borderline genocide denial of the ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people by reducing the ongoing genocide to something that is simply ‘shitty and authoritarian’ while noting that ‘real’ genocide is more than that
OR
B. Just making casual comparisons

And I simply dont see tankie campist related shit mass upvoted on /0 coms it doesn’t happen, maybe you’re confusing something that tankies & anarchists can agree on and is somewhat popular in both circles as a tankie concept.

Upvoted pro-genocide comments on a single recent Dbzer0 thread:

Downvoted anti-genocide comments on a recent Dbzer0 thread:

(note also the upvoted comparison of Uyghur genocide to white genocide conspiracy theories)

Genocide denial left up:

Upvoted denial of UN-verified sexual assault:

I can wade into Flippanarchy and get you plenty of examples from there too, if you like.

And no the early Wismar legislature was not 90% socialist, if you’re being generous and assume the SPD was genuinely left wing (not really IMO, was still beholden to capital interests) then at most it was about 45% “left” wing.

I'm referring to the elected Russian government that the Bolsheviks overthrew - the Bolshevik overthrow being what the Spartacist Uprising explicitly sought to imitate.

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PugJesus @lemmy.world 4mo ago

You used it this way, once, 9 months ago, against a person whose gender I didn’t bother to investigate.

Sorry, I know that's higher than you can count and more words than you can read.

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PugJesus @lemmy.world 4mo ago

So you didn’t go through my profile and found this post today?

No, actually. I searched my name and found myself mentioned in this thread.

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PugJesus @lemmy.world 4mo ago

Not what I said

Oh, so you were just saying random bullshit with no relation to reality in response to my comment?

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PugJesus @lemmy.world 4mo ago

I just love the extra sprinkling of sexism on display here. Never once in our dozens of comments has PJ called me “sweetie”

Lmao. Sorry that you can't comprehend calling someone sweetie unless they're female? My post history is full of it. Go ahead, use the search function - ah, what am I saying? Facts are inconvenient little things, I know you despise them.

Sorry, sweetie, that I didn't regard you lowly enough to condescend to until you started engaging in genocide denial and simping for fascism. :)

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PugJesus @lemmy.world 4mo ago

"How dare you comment on a post about you"

Yes, how dare.

PugJesus @lemmy.world 4mo ago

Why? Because you think that you shouldn't be called out for supporting Holodomor denial, making not just bad faith arguments, but shitty and easily disproven bad faith arguments (I note that you didn't actually understand the refutation of your claim about No True Scotsman, instead trying to link it to identity instead of the refinement of a disproven argument's claim), and simping for fascist coup attempts as some bizarre form of anarchism against revisionist neolibs like Rosa Luxemburg?

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PugJesus @lemmy.world 4mo ago

That’s your uncharitable reading, not what I wrote.

Sorry that you find a basic reading of what you wrote to be 'uncharitable', I understand it's tied up with your own struggles with basic English.

Also not what I did or said.

This you, fascist?

but the one person (you claim is an anarchist) that hangs out with goat all the time, is gone. Figures.

No mate, I didn’t reject inexperienced anarchists from anarchism. I merely pointed that it just so happens that you label experienced anarchists as tankies and keep the inexperienced ones who happen to agree with you as examples of the good ones. People can make their own conclusions from that.

You asked me to name a single anarchist I talked to. I did so. You then rejected them as irrelevant, and then denied that rejecting them as irrelevant was 'discarding' them in context. Sorry that you didn't understand your own request? Like, holy fuck. Do you work at being this bad at basic communication, or does it just come naturally once you start simping for fascists and playing apologist for genocide?