ProdigalFrog

No. For that you'd want something like Movim.

No prob ^^

Lemmyverse.net is a very useful site to find communities that may not have federated to your instance yet (at least 1 user on your instance must be subscribed to it for it to begin federating). Especially useful for smaller instances.

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I can't really find anywhere that clarifies what version of OMEMO that Movim is currently using, but if I had to guess it would be 0.3.0.

However, I want to point out that the creator of that linked blog actually removed a response in the comments from an OMEMO developer which clarified some things (you can it read here), which personally I think was rather odd/bad faith of them to do.

According to that response, there's nothing really wrong with OMEMO 0.3.0, as the OMEMO developer considers it a stable standard that clients can safely implement, and the newer versions basically being public beta releases toward a stable 'OMEMO 2' standard that can eventually replace 0.3.0.

I also think the blog author's argument should be put into perspective; from most security expert's POV (including the blog author linked), any app that allows encryption to be disabled is considered flawed or insecure compared to the gold standard of always on E2EE. This would rule out Matrix, XMPP, and certainly any other Discord replacement like Fluxer or Stoat (which offer no encryption). Ultimately only Signal, Deltachat or similar app would be the only options a security expert could recommend, as those experts are prioritizing security above all, regardless of use-case, needs, or practical threat level.

Signal is centralized and requires a phone number (deal-breaker for me), where as Deltachat is decentralized and does not. Deltachat is a fantastic messenger, but it is only a good replacement for Signal, not Discord. Nor are any of the other 'encrypted by default with no option to disable' messengers.

If we contrast Movim with optional OMEMO against Discord (which is not only entirely unencrypted, but also actively working with authorities and spying on you); Movim is a monumental improvement while still (eventually) providing Discord-like features. No other possible Discord replacement comes close besides Matrix (which has its own problems, more than XMPP I would say).

I would suggest that for the average user, XMPP with OMEMO 0.3.0 is pretty darn good. It'll certainly provide very good privacy for encrypted DMs to your friends or groups where it's enabled, and no nosy server owner or relay server will be able to read or decrypt them.

For people where security is absolutely paramount, and they believe they may be specifically targeted by a state actor, then they should probably stick with an E2EE always-enabled platform like Deltachat.

But for most, who likely isn't even using a VPN, or Tor, or may even still be using Windows or a non-grapheneOS phone? XMPP with OMEMO 0.3.0 is going to more than suffice.

And as time goes on, that new 'OMEMO 2' will become stable, and the clients can then migrate to that. But it's already the best privacy respecting Discord alternative we've got (IMO), and it'll likely only get better :)

Movim works on mobile via the installable PWA, it works quite well.

Movim.eu offers free XMPP accounts just like Matrix, and virtually all other XMPP servers are free as well.

ProdigalFrog @slrpnk.net 7d ago

It has a little red infographic next to CA explaining that the high port activity, sheer number of drivers, and high temps are contribute to it being worse.

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I agree, it's an unfortunate downside. But it's still probably our best option long-term.

At least in XMPP's case, I think a way of dealing with the fragmentation is to treat Movim as the 'main' app, and to encourage any friends willing to leave Discord to just use that, and not mention other options unless you know they're a bit more tech savvy, and can understand the limitations of the other clients and just think of them as fun little bonuses (until they catch up, anyway). :)

ProdigalFrog @slrpnk.net 7d ago

But mo :)

Only if you need to screenshare with audio! And only because that feature was just implemented (Firefox uses a different mechanism to screenshare with audio, and likely requires its own implementation). Movim works fine otherwise in Firefox or Librewolf.

And remember, Discord itself is just an Electron app, which is literally just a stripped down Chromium browser without the browser controls, but is also itself spyware. Running Movim in a de-googled chromium is a huge step up, and running it in Firefox even more so. I think it's important not to make perfect be the enemy of good, in this case :)

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While there are forks of conversations (Cheogram & Monocles), Movim is not a fork, AFAIK. Did you read it was somewhere?

I found this article much better: https://wiki.alopex.li/DitchingDiscord

That's a really fantastic (and humorous!) summary of, well... everything. Didn't realize Matrix worked so differently.

I'd never heard of it being brick-prone. I suppose it's possible in the sense that updating a PC's BIOS could brick it if it loses power during the update, but I've never heard of Graphene's install process being particularly brick-prone.

I've personally flashed 4 pixels (friend's and family's as well as mine), a couple of them multiple times (I tried CalyxOS before Graphene with my first pixels), and it's always been a super smooth process, never had anything go wrong.

ProdigalFrog @slrpnk.net 1w ago

It's only compatible with Pixel devices at the moment.

ProdigalFrog @slrpnk.net 1w ago

Nice! ^^

No Linux OS currently supports many models of phones, and the ones it does support, it is still quite janky and not ready for a general audience (calling is often flakey, phone apps are pretty glitchy, etc). The best we can do at the moment is either donate toward those projects with either money or code (if someone is able to) to help get more hands on it to polish it up and expand support for more phones.

GrapheneOS is currently the only really polished privacy respecting mobile option that the average user can realistically adopt.

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