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  • Yeah i suppose it is technically authoritarian, but society is overwhelmingly ok with it since it is indisputably a good idea. Covid restrictions did not have universal agreement, weren't as obviously effective and common sense, were unconstitutional in some cases, but most of all too new to have trust from everyone, particularly when messaging was inconsistent or logically flawed.

  • Yeah but I was talking about covid restrictions in general. Maybe that's where the confusion came.

  • Public masking and vaccine mandates didn't stop until September 2022.

  • Every article i can find discusses New Zealand having the longest-running and toughest covid restrictions in the world, pretty far from normal life. I remember them briefly easing restrictions in 2020, and it was widely celebrated as some kind of victory over covid, but it was short lived, and restrictions and mandates came right back stronger than ever.

  • Everyone wants to talk about fascism these days, but give covid restrictions a complete pass. I've never seen anything like that in my lifetime, where you actually couldn't go to restaurants without a pass, and had to have papers in order to justify being out in public. Even if you think it was justified, you have to acknowledge that it was extreme authoritarianism.

  • Are you saying that New Zealand returned to normal before the rest of the world? Because that's not how I remember it at all.

  • Wait, are you implying that Trump is similar to Hitler?

  • Isn't that a picture of kamala?

  • And yet these people want to blame it for the election loss. I think "the manosphere" has more impact on them as an easy scapegoat then it does on general voters in effecting elections.

  • Ok, but how many or what percentage of men like this need to exist for it to be a talking point? If it's not generalized to a significant percentage, then it's not a valid point to bring up in the first place.

  • I bet the party has sufficient power to restrict access to birth control. Seems crazy to consider, but if things got serious enough, I feel like they are capable of doing it.

  • Or maybe she wasn't a good candidate to begin with. She wasn't even nominated, so we don't know how a true, democratically elected, candidate would have performed.

  • There are like two of those people, not enough to be the driving factor behind Kamala losing.

  • If you think she lost because she is a black woman, then you are ignoring a lot of other factors that are far more significant. It won't help anything to focus on that single aspect of her candidacy.

  • It's been an endless stream of reports of scandal and cruelty since 2016. How could you not get desensitized? The alternative would be to go insane.

  • Women got the right to vote in 1920, but it wasn't until 1968 that minority women were allowed to vote, and 1990 when the Americans with disabilities act passed. Crazy to me how people can look past monumental changes like that.

  • Wait, do you think that the united states is less progressive than it was 10 years ago? How about 20 years ago? 30?

  • I don't think it's exactly a matter of appealing to progressives, but an inherent difficulty in trying to appeal to a wide variety of people with a wide variety of interests. You end up having to make vague promises in order not to offend anyone, which comes across as being boring or disingenuous, like you are only saying stuff in order to get elected and not because you actually belive in it. Conservatives can have much simpler and more straightforward messaging because their base is much more homogeneous.

  • I know who my wife is voting for, but even if she voted differently, I would love her the same. It would hurt if she lied about it though, because it would imply a lack of trust.