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If someone claims something happened on the fediverse without providing a link, they're lying.

Evidence or GTFO.

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  • Not my fault this is the only level of discourse y'all are capable of. I tried to have an intelligent conversation with you, you just started slinging random insults based on nothing.

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  • But you don’t.

    Yes I do.

    You subscribe to a pro-war, pro-colony ideology

    And you poop out of your mouth, see I can make shit up based on absolutely nothing too.

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  • You're thinking of social democrats.

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  • Non sequitur.

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  • Case in point: Anyone who wants to stay out of conflicts automatically supports Russia. My actual reasons and motivations are totally irrelevant. Thank you for proving my point.

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  • You're thinking of liberals.

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  • Not everyone the term was or has been applied to supported them. But regardless, they still used whatever influence they had to push for fewer tanks.

    If I'm an American and I'm out protesting the Vietnam War, and I say that we should end the war and stop building tanks, and that the Vietnamese communists were justified in rising up against the colonizers, does that make me pro-war? Does it make me pro-tank? Is the "peaceful" stance the one that says the Vietnamese were not justified so the US should stay in the war? That's nonsense.

    But that's the exact same logic you're applying here and everywhere else. If someone supported peace and deescalation with the USSR during the Cold War, then they'd be accused of supporting or not sufficiently condemning how they handled the Hungarian uprising. If someone opposes the war in Ukraine, they're accused of supporting or not sufficiently condemning Russia. If someone opposed the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, they were accused of supporting or not sufficiently condemning 9/11 and Al Qaida. And so the peace advocates are always depicted as being violent, and it works the exact same way every single time. War is Peace.

    At this point, I accept that it's always going to happen that way and that I'll always be "the bad guy" for opposing war. I used to be a "terrorist sympathizer," now I'm a "tankie" in another ten or twenty years, I'm sure I'll be some other horrible thing. Who cares.

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  • Actually, I do. That's completely consistent with my point.

    The people who coined the term wanted to take a more aggressive approach to dealing with the USSR. They were particularly concerned that tensions might deescalate due to the change of leadership from Stalin to Khrushchev and the explicit foreign policy approach of "peaceful coexistence" with the West (contrary to some strains of communist thought that had called for expanding the revolution to other countries). Those in the West who supported deescalation and refused to take a hard line in support of the Cold War were labelled as "tankies" for their insufficient hawkishness.

    The Western leftists and peace advocates the term was created to condemn obviously had no control over the policies over the USSR. To the extent that they could influence the policies of their home countries, they pushed for deescalation, for building fewer tanks. It was the "anti-tankies" who wanted more tanks, as they always do.

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  • Yes, that's why "tankies" are generally opposed to building and deploying tanks, moreso than just about any ideology short of pacifism. Certainly moreso than liberals are.

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  • But tankies oppose nearly all wars.

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  • The word "isolationist" doesn't exist in the vocabularies of most people around here. It doesn't really matter why I disagree with US military interventions, the fact that I do means that I will inevitably be labelled tankie or a Russian bot. So you might as well ignore it, or love the word instead, cause you ain't done nothing if you ain't been called a Red.

    Besides, I'm not wholly an isolationist. I have no problem with trade or foreign aid, so long as it isn't military aid. More accurately, I'm a dove. But "dove" doesn't exactly work as an insult. Some liberals even like to imagine that they're doves, unbelievably.

    But again, liberals don't recognize that perspectives like "doves" or "isolationists" exist. You either follow the narrative of the media and politicians, or you get thrown into this big lump of Bad People™ with zero distinctions regarding why you disagree with them.

  • Through the War Powers Act and his role as commander-in-chief of the most powerful military in the world, next question.

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  • Exactly.

    There's only one war worth fighting and that's the class war. Everything else is just throwing lives away for nothing.

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  • Really? Because I'm always calling for staying out of conflicts and dramatically reducing the military budget and people are constantly calling me a tankie because of those stances.

    See, if you don't want war, it means you support the other side, and however bad "our" side is, the other side is always worse and more aggressive (the media says so, after all) and that means that anyone who's pro-peace is actually pro-war, freedom is slavery, etc.

    So it was when I said we shouldn't invade Iraq and Afghanistan, it meant that I was "a terrorist sympathizer" and "pro-Al Qaida," and when I say we should stay out of Palestine, people say I'm "pro-Hamas" and when I say we should stay out of Ukraine people say I'm "pro-Russia" and a "tankie," and if I don't think the US has the right to kidnap heads of state I'm "supporting dictators." Consistently advocating against the use of tanks is essentially the defining characteristic of a "tankie."

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  • They don’t care who “wins”, they profit off of the war itself (and the rebuild for that matter).

    Then why would they love tankies, some of the only people who consistently oppose them building and using tanks?

  • Oh, my bad.

  • "What’s exciting is that the research is clear that these cash transfers are helpful, and the big concerns that they might disincentivize employment or contribute to inflation were not substantiated in our evidence review.”

    PN3’s recent evidence review looked extensively at various programs that put money directly in the hands of families, from studies of unconditional cash transfer (UCT) programs in Illinois, Massachusetts and Texas, to existing dividend-based unconditional cash transfers, to child allowance pilot programs throughout the U.S. Two of the largest and most data-rich programs the researchers studied were the Alaska Permanent Fund Dividend and the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians Payments, neither of which was intended to be an anti-poverty program but each of which have measurably reduced poverty among their constituents.

    In 2021, in what amounted to the first and so far, only nationwide case study of the impact of cash transfers, the Biden administration temporarily expanded the federal child tax credit (CTC) through the American Rescue Plan Act. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the expansion lifted 2.1 million children out of poverty. For Black and Latino children, official poverty measures shrank more compared to the decline in rates for white children. The temporary cash infusion also had notable benefits on mental health, again with a greater difference observed with Black families. An additional $100 per child per month reduced depression symptoms in all low-income parents, with Black parents seeing nearly twice the reduction in depression and anxiety symptoms as other subgroups.

    One study found that the monthly cash difference of $313 per month led to some changes in infant brain activity, with infants whose mothers received $333 monthly showing higher “fast-brain” activity compared to babies of mothers receiving $20 monthly. The brain’s mid- and high-frequency bands are associated with cognitive skills, which indicates that cash transfers may improve development of these skills, though more research is needed to draw a direct link.

    According to an analysis at Washington University in St. Louis, child poverty in the U.S. costs up to $1.03 trillion a year in loss of economic productivity, increased health and crime costs, homelessness and maltreatment. Cash transfer policies seem like a bargain in comparison by helping mitigate social challenges and reduce government spending in health and human services.

  • Make their jobs hell and fewer people will want to do it, duh.

    Wtf is this bullshit, like should we show up with a fresh cup of coffee and donuts for the ICE agents so they don't "make a mistake?" Fluff their pillows and tuck them in to make sure they get a good night's rest? We want them to be stressed out, tired, prone to mistakes and outbursts. They kill us when they're calm and well-rested too.

    Banging your drums all night outside an enemy encampment has been a tried and true strategy for thousands of years.

  • or what happened with Tibet

  • One time I visited Kent State University, and one of the plaques there talked about how, after the massacre, a group of students were planning to reassemble to mourn the victims and continue the protest. One of the professors shouted something along the lines of, "They're just gonna kill you all!" and desperately begged and pleaded for them to disperse, not because he disagreed with their cause, but because he understood that they would be throwing their lives away.

    The students were convinced. When the first gunshots had rung out, most of them thought they were firing blanks to intimidate them. They couldn't imagine that the guards would simply open fire with live rounds on a crowd of unarmed students. But afterwards, it was obvious that they would have no restraint, no matter how peacefully they mourned.