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@ Objection @lemmy.ml

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If someone claims something happened on the fediverse without providing a link, they're lying.

Evidence or GTFO.

  • Would the United States actually risk a Tiananmen Square incident?

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  • “Buying a gun” is the tankie version of libs saying “go vote”. Solves nothing, they say it will fix everything.

    Where did I say that it would "fix everything?" Weren't you just complaining about "mischaracterizing arguments" (which I never did)?

    Again, you're just looking for reasons to attack me for no reason. No idea what crawled up your ass but it has nothing to do with anything I've actually said.

  • Tankie

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  • Honestly not even reading your comments anymore, don't care.

  • Tankie

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  • And if you engaged with my actual arguments and points instead of blandly asserting "I'm right and you're wrong," you'd understand why.

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  • Yes, only in practice and common use.

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  • I clearly went too far because I was satirizing your mischaracterization of other people’s arguments

    Whose arguments did I mischaracterize in the initial comment I made? The National Guard's? What a load of horseshit, you came out of the gate attacking me for no reason.

    Buying “a” gun won’t do anything meaningful in and of itself. We need some people to buy a lot of guns and ammo.

    What does it matter if one person buys 10 guns to give to 10 people, or if 10 people buy their own guns? The end result is the same. You're just putting ideological hangups before pragmatism.

    We need lots of people thinking about each other. We need people thinking about things like food, water, waste, etc.

    None of which is precluded by buying a gun.

    Like the US government has never caved because somebody shot a bullet at them. They cave because airports get shutdown, because trash stops being collected.

    Neither of these is correct. For example, the US government caved when the NVA shot a bunch of bullets at them. They also have the capability of suppressing strikes at gunpoint, if it comes to that. Just as they did the student demonstrators at Kent State. Strikes can be effective, but if you have no capability to fight back, then it's not likely to be enough.

    Like a bunch of military drones come through your door you won’t even have the opportunity to kill a single fascist. You’re just dead, killed by a guy essentially playing a video game. A missile is the same thing

    Of course. I never disputed that. But they aren't sending drones or launching missiles, they're sending people.

    There’s no heroic fantasy where just owning a gun lets people takedown a fascist.

    That's just obviously false. Are fascists impervious to bullets now? Is Charlie Kirk still alive, then?

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  • where we all look at the guns on our mantles

    Lmao! Too much of a clown for me to even satirize you.

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  • Yes, it's exactly the same as telling people to buy ovaltine. Ovaltine will definitely help you kill fascists just as much as a gun will.

    Your position is so fucking stupid, and every angle you tried to defend it from has fallen apart under the tiniest bit of scrutiny. Including this one.

  • Would the United States actually risk a Tiananmen Square incident?

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  • No, I didn't. You just randomly decided to start attacking me based on a bunch of flimsy bullshit.

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  • I downvote your comments because they're pointless nitpicking, not because you say "that's not enough." If you had said, "Also, train, join an org, and read theory" I wouldn't be downvoting you. Instead you said, "lol buying a gun won't fix anything" and dismissed the suggestion as "individualist consumerism." That's not "going further."

    I'm sorry that the pithy ending to a comment that was primarily about the history of Kent State was not a detailed outline of every possible tactic that could be effective at resisting.

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  • This comes down to ammo. if you have a bunch of guns they’re going to be useful until it runs out of ammo. If you are caching huge amounts of ammo and guns then yes that’s useful as long as you or your allies keep control of it. And caching ammo is harder and more expensive than just buying a gun.

    Like if your “military” is providing .223 ammo that .308 rifle isn’t going to be too useful for very long.

    Right, when I said "buy a gun" obviously there was no implication that you should also buy the appropriate ammunition to use said gun. I'm just telling people to buy unloaded guns to put on their mantles to look at.

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  • This line of "logic" is so fucking ridiculous I don't even know how to reason with it.

    Let's say "the army" decides to start handing out guns to people. What if they don't have enough guns to go around? Because it seems to me, that every gun a person already has is one less gun that "the army" has to procure somehow. It kinda seems like people who did the evil bad "individualist consumerism" of bringing their own guns to the revolution are actually bringing a greater contribution than they would have been able to otherwise, doesn't it?

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  • Nobody in any other revolution bought any guns.

    Again: Do you understand that countries outside of the US exist?

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  • What a bunch of delusional nonsense. If enslaved people had the opportunity to buy guns, then obviously they would have, and obviously they would've been right to do so. Perhaps I should avoid reading and writing, since slaves were often not permitted to learn those things.

    1776 was a bourgeois revolution, it is not "my model for proletarian revolution" and I don't have the slightest idea where you pulled that from. You are aware that countries outside of the US have had revolutions, right?

    Individualistic, consumerist thinking will not result in a “proletarian revolution” that’s just a bunch of people cosplaying freedom while they ignore the actual shit going on around them.

    "Buy a gun" is not "individualistic, consumerist thinking" you absolute clown.

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  • Not what I asked.

    I have respect for actual pacifists, even if I disagree with them. I don't have respect for hypocrites who adopt pacifistic stances when it comes to non-state, working class actors but are somehow fine with the state using it.

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  • "The last rope they sell us will be the one we hang them with." I don't like the idea of giving money to war profiteers any more than you do, but it is an unfortunate necessity.

    The only way guns are going to matter in a realistic sense is if people are afraid to shoot you because they’ll get shot

    Um... yes. That's the point?

    If there’s actually some kind of civil war you’ll get guns an ammo from the army.

    From what army? What are you talking about?

    Is your plan to rely on the US government to arm the proletariat?

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  • There’s a chance he would have died in a hail of gunfire,

    He did die in a hail of gunfire.

    and probably gotten a lot of innocent bystanders killed as well,

    Do you support complete disarmament of the police and military? Or is it only with non-state actors that this concern about missed shots outweighs everything else?

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  • No? I am under no illusions that I can stop the fascists from killing me if they want to. If five armed men kick down my door, I'm not stopping them. But I might be able to take one of them down, if I get lucky. That is, you know, how guns work. It doesn't take badassery to pull a trigger.

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  • Not everyone lives where you live. If I'm giving advice on the internet, where people live in many different locales, I think "buy a gun" is better advice than "3D print a gun." Especially considering that 3D printed guns require more technical knowledge to put together and there's potential for misfires or even injuries if you don't know what you're doing. Not to mention the cost of the 3D printer in the first place.

    You want to go that route, by all means, knock yourself out. But it feels like you're picking a pointless fight over this.

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  • Personally, I would rather not walk around with an object that would land me in prison if it were discovered.

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  • How do you train with a gun if you don't have one?

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    OBEY. CONFORM. DO NOT RETALIATE.

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    Banned for calling out a mod after they claimed that criticism of Japanese Internment was "not legitimate"

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    If you thought missiles were disruptive to trade, wait til you see what policy can do

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    New declassified documents dropped 🔥

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    "The Theory of Inevitable Decay"

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    I remember when this shit was fringe

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    A fascist reposted a meme today. Have you?

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    "China is the future, do you agree?"

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    Holy shit this one's rich

  • Ask Lemmy @lemmy.world
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    On a scale of 1-10, how accurate do you believe the charge scene from "Enemy at the Gates" is?

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    Add "Havana Syndrome" to the list of fake stories that you're not allowed to question on .world

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    Trolley problem memes are not a substitute for studying moral philosophy

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    Genocide in a Teapot

  • World News @lemmy.ml
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    Pew survey on global attitudes on China

    www.pewresearch.org /global/2024/07/09/most-people-in-35-countries-say-china-has-a-large-impact-on-their-national-economy/
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    How Cooking Oil Became a Red-Hot Food Safety Issue in China

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    Trump's foreign policy doublespeak

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    "Soulism" is a dangerous, existential threat to humanity that must be stopped