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  • I actually agree with her on that. But yeah she says all sorts of other stupid hateful shit.

    But whatever we need as many cracks in the MAGA cult logic as we can get. And they sure as hell won't listen to me.

  • Will of the people is great but in my personal opinion they've never topped the greatness of Uprising.

    It's been around for a while now but in case anyone hasn't heard it: https://youtu.be/w8KQmps-Sog

    Or for something a little more raw and underground, these folks came out and gave a great performance at a local rally in my city: https://youtu.be/VNH1ytlS5-g

  • /r/conservative is like the right wing version of Lemmy.ml. Any facts that are convenient to the narrative they are pushing or even that express any level of skepticism or disagreement will be met with censorship.

    It's shocking to me that anyone wants to participate in such communities. Even if you agree with the ideology it's just not possible to have real discussion.

  • Is that actually true? Seems dubious right now.

  • Can't they ID you through masks now anyway?

    My perspective is I resist openly. The more people do that the safer it is for everyone. But everyone should assess their own risk on an individual basis because it is not the same for all of us.

  • Yeah I have the same issue with much of my friend group. They just want to look away and focus on their lives. Sometimes you have to make new friends who are willing to do something. I find it hard but I just try to bring it up when I can and collect those folks who do express interest in doing something.

    And you never know. I saw a former coworker last night at our ICE facility that I would have clocked as totally apolitical. Sometimes people are afraid to say how they really feel because it doesn't feel socially acceptable. And more and more people are starting to wake up to this.

  • Yes, I agree. Unfortunately the response in my city is not as well organized as I would like but I'm trying my best to be as involved as I can. A friend and I are also gathering a group of activated neighbors and planning to have regular meals together to discuss what else we can do.

    So those are some ideas for folks looking for actions they can take. Look up what org is doing legal observing in your area and sign up. And the usual stuff like show up for protests, etc.

    And honestly this scares me and I have a strong commitment to nonviolence but we may be at a point where we need to start training and organizing militias too. But I would be careful and very selective in this because there is a risk it could make the situation worse if people do not move carefully and strategically. I disagree with a lot of lemmings that armed conflict is a good solution to most problems but there may come a point where we fight back or we die and we need to be ready for that possibility. I don't think that day is today but it looks closer every day that passes.

  • I'm going to say it again for those in the back: administrative "warrants" are not warrants. They've been lying and breaking the constitution for decades. When the untrained fascist goon decides he doesn't like the way you looked at him and fills out his own paperwork to authorize your arrest, that has zero resemblance to the warrants described in the 4th amendment. They should not be used for any arrest, in the home or otherwise. The courts and congress need to acknowledge this fact or we the people will be forced to take matters into our own hands.

  • Yes it's common because most people drive and they're also used to buy alcohol, plane tickets, etc. but they don't prove citizenship. Some states allow undocumented people to apply for them, I believe.

    But there's still a decent number who don't have one, usually poorer people. Most of the uses for a photo ID involve spending money on luxuries.

  • Cutting off material support for Israel and putting out real arrest warrants for war criminals are two things I can think of we could do.

    As individuals that means agitating and creating pressure on leaders to do these things but individual boycotts can also help.

  • Administrative warrants are not warrants. Even calling them that is buying into their propaganda. Anyone have an idea for a better name?

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  • But I want it to be real...

  • I agree they're anti-western imperialism but that's not sufficient to be anti-imperialist in a broader sense. Even the US opposes imperialism of their rivals--that's part of the nature of imperial powers. But it would be very misleading to describe them as anti-imperialist. To qualify you need to take a principled stance against actions that constitute imperialism, no matter who is taking them.

  • Maybe so but that's not easy to achieve. I think social stigma, public humiliation, etc. is the easiest way to achieve this. Definitely support investigators who are compiling information on them.

  • My assessment is that isn't going to happen. Vietnam worked because people were largely united against an invading force. America is the opposite.

    I don't think Luigi achieved much with what he did. He's now in jail and UnitedHealth just hires someone else to do the same job. It's also different because his act was not perceived as more personal than political. And it's a lot harder for ordinary Americans to empathize with a rich ceo than working class ICE agents. A lot of Americans are waking up to the fact that ICE is the enemy but it's still a minority. The reality is a lot of Americans personally identify with law enforcement and will feel attacked when they are attacked. This creates more reaction, violence and division when we really need people to be united.

    Propaganda of the deed tried and failed 100 years ago and I don't think things are too different today.

  • I understand but I'm only in control of my own actions. I can't make the rest of America do anything they don't want to. So if you want me to do something it needs to be framed in terms of what actions I can take--even if those actions are meant to be part of a collective effort.

  • Individually attacking ice agents or facilities won't stop this either though.

    Like I don't know what I can do to stop it. It's outside of my power individually.

    Edit: I feel like this came off as a bit disempowering. There are many important things we can be doing to throw sand in the gears of fascism, and while it may or may not stop it, it will still probably save lives. But I just want to express that going to individual Americans and shaming them because they haven't personally put a stop to this is very unhelpful.

  • Implying US or Chinese citizens have rights lol