However, if it is protected by law... and the law changes over time and then, mysteriously, logs appear in the past, then it has absolutely nothing to do with the law. Rather, it means that lies were told for years beforehand.
Yes, talk about it as nicely as you want. Ignore the facts and view them as lies. Feel free to trust that they don't have a key. I don't care. As a customer, I've been following what's been happening at Proton for long enough. What they say, what they promise, and what they actually do.Feel free to vote me down because you don't like the reality.
There's more to Proton's history, but I'm not going to look into it anymore because you don't want to know and instead punish those who give you sources.
I'll laugh about it heartily in a few years.
Funnily enough, the answer is no longer available.
I wasn't arguing against encryption. Rather, I was arguing against its occurrence. Although I don't trust Proton 100% not to have a key.
So, BTC is not anonymous, and buying it is linked to data. BTC is also nice in the blockchain. I always preferred Paysafe card, but you can't get that anonymously anymore either.
But now I'm particularly concerned that their response has disappeared.
But it was sometime around June 21, 2019, when it came out (I think because a US citizen was arrested.) that they were working with states. To date, they have not published this themselves.
Incidentally, I'm not saying that you shouldn't use Proton. It's still one of the best on the market, but you shouldn't blindly trust them.
At that time (begin of proton ), Switzerland was also still a haven for tax evaders, etc. Back then, they worked secretly with the government... There was no obligation yet.
No, they weren't ALWAYS open about the issue (changed 2021). Aren't they advertising themselves as safe? That contradicts it!
The right advertising would have been to say it's safe until the government comes... That would have been honest.
I'll go through my emails later and hope I didn't delete them back then. But now I'm going to lie down for a bit.
It contradicts all of Proton's advertising... They continue to convey a different impression; even though they provide such data, they still advertise with certainty, etc...
Edit: I almost forgot... Back when this kind of thing was leaked (yes, leaked, not shared by them), I exchanged a few words with them (I am a customer, after all), and they denied everything and demanded proof... Nevertheless, I'm still with them because they're still among the least bad.
The time to counteract this was... Snowden... Countries had learned so much in the meantime. The point of no return was reached long ago... Slowly, everyone is waking up and wants to take action... Now that it's too late.
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Tor... States have too many start and end nodes... Deanonymization is the order of the day, as the past has proven. In the future, the bigger firewall will simply block connections that do not have the appropriate services integrated thats about p2p, vps, linux, opensource etc..
Common sense should prevail, but everyone else will ignore it anyway. As soon as I mentioned gpg, I was met with immediate opposition...
Why bother arguing with people who are resistant to learning? It's pointless. So trust Europe... Hitler was too long ago... You can no longer imagine the consequences... Just carry on and wait 3-4 years, then you'll regret it.
In addition, the question before that was which service could still be trusted...
That alone says it all... You can't trust a third party... Never...
I am surprised by the naivety and ignorance. A few years ago, you all reacted in exactly the same way when the same thing was said about American services, and it is so sad that humanity is resistant to learning and still hasn't learned anything from Snowden.Have fun going through life with your blinders on.
Oh... wait 3-4 years and then you'll curse when the states use them against you. If it even takes that long... State Trojans, backdoors, etc. The list is endless...
Or the reasons that can now lead to arrests. Political views, religious views, sexual views... it's becoming more and more of a target. Soon there will be digital IDs, digital euros, and at least one bank account linked to them dont forget age verification. The crackdown on VPNs, etc.
Oh, I see... so the European surveillance apparatus currently being set up by the countries doesn't matter... It's only about the service providers. Pretty naive.
I recommend: "We are so screwed! Any privacy is an illusion. Be aware of this and remain skeptical."
I also said that you couldn't trust it. That doesn't mean you shouldn't use it, but you shouldn't be naive and trust it...
If you want it to be secure (not private... still the same metadata), encrypt the messages locally with gpg and only then send them by email.
First of all, what do you consider private... Meta data is already collected anyway... The next thing is... Compulsion by legislators, and that is exactly where our laws are heading...
That is why Proton wants to leave, because it is being forced by law and otherwise the entrepreneurs at Proton will face legal problems.
Simple... Dont trust European spy solutions.
Europe is the same bullshit
Edit: Downvoters... Learn about 5,9 and 14 eyes... the agreements with America that give them access to everything, etc. Chat monitoring wasn't the only bad thing... In the meantime, other things were pushed through... There's a reason why providers are considering leaving the EU.
However, if it is protected by law... and the law changes over time and then, mysteriously, logs appear in the past, then it has absolutely nothing to do with the law. Rather, it means that lies were told for years beforehand.