But fr tho I agree. Sure, there are sole knobheads who clearly haven't read the article, but the disparity between what you see here and the r-place is wonderful
[if AI was] removed once discovered, I don't see any problem
The problem was that it was sold to consumers at all without consent. You don't get off scot free when you accidently leave some cocaine for the inlaws to find. There was malicious intent just by not disclosing its usage
OpenOrca
You bring this up and imply we're agreeing here, but I find it odd that you immediately backtrack and say that AI usage in general, not OpenOrca usage, is a-okay. It's entirely irrelevant what AI tool you use if this company didn't
Can I blame someone for using placeholder texture [using] AI
Yes. A placeholder texture should be made to be obvious that it's a placeholder. As soon as it doesn't do that, it's failed at its job. By using AI like this, you're effectively making the QA's job 10 times harder, as now they have to stare at every texture to make sure it's not AI generated
left and right creating drama [about CO]
Yes. Because information came out on a large platform that allowed more people to hear about it compared to when it was initially released.
I actually played through Clair Obscur about two months ago and gave it a very hearty review on steam, but as soon as I heard that they used AI without disclosing it that changed into a very charged negative thumbs down. It's very easy to pretend that people just hate things because they're popular, you see it all the time with youtubers and movies after all. Unfortunately, there's usually a very good reason that irks these people
The vast majority was made by hand, and the game is good
You seem to have missed my main point, and it's not just here, either. You eluded to this frame of mind multiple times when writing these past two comments. My entire argument is that it was incredibly scummy to not disclose the usage of AI, robbing the buyer of any agency in the matter
Me responding to your other points is really just entertaining their idea, rather than engaging in a thoughtful discussion, as the only response you had for this main point was mainly along the lines of the above quote I'm responding to, which is really just moving goalposts
By acting like it doesn't matter because everything else is good, you're kind of weirdly conceding the point, as if it didn't matter if they did it, then why shouldn't they disclose it?
This entire comment is baffling to me, in all honesty
Maybe because all AI generated assets got removed?
Not before being unknowingly sold to the public
I think the whole anti-AI craze of late is more bullshit than sane arguments.
My problem with AI is its heavy usage of plagiarism and vast degree of power consumption, as well as the price hikes its caused for many computer parts
They where used by artists... not by executives seeking to make some more bucks
Whenever anything is attempting to make money, it should be put under the highest scrutiny. It does not matter who's pushing it. Similarly, I find it odd that we're assuming the inner workings of Clair Obscur's workplace
You cannot expect someone to go through every single texture in a game... just to make sure [no AI] was forgotten
If you replaced AI here with anything defamatory, like pictures of penises placed by an enraged employee after being fired, then even having a few would be devastating on sales. The single fact that we're okay with a few means that, over time, that bar will likely be pushed further down the road "oh, it's just this one character that practically never shows up" "oh, it's just the skyboxes, they're basically not noticeable anyway" "who cares if the early access uses AI voices? They'll be replaced eventually!"
people trying to get views by hating on something popular
This is less like making a new cake from scratch after disposing of the previous one, and more like making a new cake using the same unwashed cake tin and utensils
No matter what, the AI replacements would have affected how the artists made the final products as, whether they liked it or not, they had a point of reference in the form of the AI texture
People are saying "it's fine because it was used in the early stages of the game for placeholder art" but that's kind of missing the point
The problem is that they used AI and didn't disclose it, as well as releasing the game with AI textures still in it. Yes, these textures were quickly replaced, but it's still very concerning they weren't upfront on how they were using it in the game making process
You still have to tell UE to make them though