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Right, that's what it's called in Swedish. Feel free to call it that and no one outside of the Nordics will have any idea of what you're talking about. In English we could call it Swedish cheesecake if you need to be particularly verbose about it. Because it is a cheesecake.
Cheesecake was a thing for many centuries before the NYC style was first made. Hell, Swedish cheesecake predates the existence of the U.S. by a couple hundred years as well.
This conversation bores me, and so I sign off. You're allowed to be wrong.
Okay, let's flip it. What would you call it?
That would apply with the yoghurt biscuit thing, but not in the case of Swedish cheesecake.
Do you know how cheese is made? Generally, cottage and cream cheese is made by heating it, adding a coagulant, and separating out the curds from the whey. Generally the difference is that cream cheese has a higher amount of milk fats, that is cream.
Now look at the recipe I linked. You make cheese and turn it into a cake.
It's a cheesecake.
The reason we differentiate between American cheesecake and ostkaka in Swedish is because both entities exist simultaneously within the same cultural context. Ostkaka isn't really prevalent in the anglosphere, hence just calling it "Swedish cheesecake" makes the most sense. If I walked up to a random anglophone and said "I'm going to make an ostkaka today" they'd have no idea what I'm talking about.
Because I'm not sure how much clearer I can be. Smålandsostkaka as well as Hälsingeostkaka are both types of cheesecake on account of both being cakes made out of cheese. In Swedish we distinguish between the words cheesecake and ostkaka, but that's a cultural thing.
You're essentially saying that spätzle isn't a type of pasta because people differentiate between spätzle and penne rigate. Or that brie isn't a type of cheese because there's a difference between brie and gouda.
Well, I don't know what to tell you. You're allowed to be wrong, I guess.
Ostkaka is a type of cake made from cheese, ergo cheesecake is a perfectly fine translation. In Swedish we have a distinction between the two, but I also would likely say "Swedish cheesecake" if I'm specifically talking about one originating from Sweden.
Would you say that a basque cheesecake isn't a cheesecake?
Naturally the textures aren't even remotely similar. It's just that Dr Pepper to me has a very pronounced bitter almond flavour. I know a lot of people associate that with cherries, so I think for people like that, our cheesecake would probably taste more like cherries.
When processed, maraschino cherries often have bitter almond oil added as a flavour enhancer, hence the connection to cherries.
No. Ost means cheese, kaka means cake. It can also mean biscuit or cookie depending on what type of English you speak.
It's honestly a lot more like that. If you say biscuit in England, that generally conjures up a picture of a small-ish, often round, harder, dry pastry. In the U.S. a biscuit is closer to what you in England would call a scone.
When we use the Swedish word ostkaka, we refer to the Swedish cheesecake. When we use the English word cheesecake, no one expects a Swedish cheesecake. The cake is made by making cheese, so I don't really know how much more of a cheesecake it could be.
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It doesn't say that it's not a cheese cake. It is a cake made out of cheese. It says that the two "shouldn't be confused", which honestly feels like that shouldn't even be on Wikipedia. It's stemming from a bit of a pet-peeve some people have here, when say a restaurant lists "ostkaka" and then an American cheesecake gets served.
When we say "ostkaka" (cheesecake) we mean the linked thing. When we say cheesecake, we generally mean the New York style cheesecake.
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I've never actually made the cheese variant myself, so I can't really recommend a recipe. I found this one though, and it's very from-scratch. I saw a few others that used store-bought cottage cheese but given that this recipe calls for mixing the flour in with the milk when making the cheese I'm not 100% sure that'd work out as well.
Ingredients
- 3½ litre (3500ml) milk
- 2½ decilitre all purpose wheat flour (210 gram)
- 1 tablespoon rennet
- 30 gram sweet almonds
- 4 bitter almonds
- 1½ decilitre whip cream (that's generally 40% fat here)
- 1 decilitre granulated sugar
- 3 eggs
- grease for the pan
My own notes:
- It probably doesn't have to be specifically rennet, but if you use a different coagulant adapt the cheese-making portion of the recipe to match that.
- I'd pour some of the milk into the flour, and mix that until you have a smooth batter, before pouring that mixture into the milk, rather than mixing the flour directly into the milk. Just to avoid lumps.
- Speaking from experience making paneer, milk that's been pasteurised at a high temperature (I think usually referred to as ultra pasteurised) to extend its shelf-life is trickier to get to coagulate properly. I'd recommend avoiding that.
Directions:
Heat the milk to 37C (98.6F). Mix in the flour and add the rennet. Stir and let sit for approximately 30 minutes. Stir again so the whey separates out, and let sit for another 30 minutes.
Dampen a thin kitchen towel/cheese cloth and put in a colander. put the colander in a large bowl. Pour the cheese into the colander and let drain for approximately 8 hours in a refrigerator.
Turn the oven on 200C (392F).
Finely chop the sweet almonds. Grate the bitter almonds finely.
Put the cheese mixture in a bowl. Mix together cream, sugar, and egg in a separate bowl and combine the mixture together with the almonds with the cheese mixture. Grease a pan (2½ litres) and pour in the batter. Cook in the oven, preferably in a water bath, for approximately 55 minutes. Let the cake cool and set, you can do this in a refrigerator.
Serve the cheese cake lukewarm with whipped cream and jam.
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This looks to me like the Småland variation recipe. There's one from Hälsingland which I've never had. It sounds like it's quite different and it's generally served with cloudberries or a "juice sauce."
The wikipedia page for ostkaka also has this note, which I think was kind of fun.
According to the tradition from Småland, one always starts eating ostkaka from the middle. One theory for this is that in the old days, it was baked in a copper pot with a tin lining. If cracks appeared in the tin, the cheesecake would mix with the toxic copper. This way, the more distinguished guests would at least not ingest as much of the poison. Others claim it's because the cheesecake is creamiest in the middle and a bit drier and more burnt at the edges, which were saved for the children and the servants.
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Scum! Which I guess is to be expected of the English.
Anyone over a certain networth is evil of some kind anyway, so pedo or not it's still a safe bet.
This kind. Main flavour is bitter almond and almond. Dr. Pepper has a very distinct bitter almond flavour. Ergo, it tastes like cheesecake to me.
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Right so the original Småland cheesecake does contain cheese. The courgette version modeled after it tastes similar because the main flavour isn't from the cheese, but rather the almonds and the bitter almond extract.
Growing up here, I associate bitter almond flavour with cheese cake. The Dr. Pepper soft drink also tastes of bitter almonds to me, so in my head it's basically cheese cake flavoured soft drink.
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