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techno hippie

  • Is there an anarchist happily driving the bus?

  • can haz instead with anarchy?

  • And underneath the whole archipelago,

     
        
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     \  _ \  _\ _  \  _\ __ \ __\   /
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  • Why bother adapting existing scripts?

    They're happy running as they are in bash/zsh.

  • Heh. I script nearly everything in fish now, because it's way more expedient and readable. [At first I didn't, just thought its advantages are interactive. Better scripting snuck up on me.]

    Wouldnt ZSH be the wasted middle in your analogy?

    Fish wheel already invented, no contrived middle.

  • So true.

    Save the RSI spoons for the real work. Don't waste them on the shell. Get more done, with less pain, less effort, faster.

  • I hear ZSH can be made as nice as fish (or near enough (~?)), but I've just never bothered since fish is nice straight out of the box.

  • Real sysadmins use butterflies.

  • Do you know if fish can input arguments from prevous commands like ESC + . does in bash?

    Like Alt-.? (/ Alt - > ).

    Easier in reach, and can cycle through.

    I've not got that in my muscle memory yet... so rarely used... had to look that up. Handy. Should use more.

  • Yep, and fish has even more ways to expedite frequent used commands and locations, but because the completion stuff's so good, it's easy to never bother setting up abbreviations and keybinds and so on. So many things are often just a couple key presses away, by default, after using it for a while.

  • Try fish for a week, use the online help to familiarise with the completion stuff... see if you still find bash adequate.

  • in my ~/.bashrc

     
        
    # if interactive, launch fish
    [[ $- != *i* ]] && return || fish
    
      

    and

     
        
    alias f='fish'
    
      

    So fish is my default, and if I ever need bash, it's already there underneath, just a Ctrl-d keybind away to fall back on, and if I want to get back into fish, it's just a f & RETURN away.

    Seems better to have all the convenience of fish up front. All the completion magic. I so rarely have to type much at all.

  • I never managed to learn bash's ways in my first decade of using it, learning fish a decade ago was easy by comparison. So much more human readable and sensible and consistent. Even though fish is the friendly interactive shell, I now use it for all my scripting too.

  • I confess I have sometimes said I used Gentoo since 2007, when really, that was Sabayon, and not Gentoo until 2010.

    This was indeed technically wrong, or at the very least, misleading. Merely a choice of expedient shorthand, to avoid my usual verbose precision.

    Does anyone really care though?

    It does get me wondering how many "I use arch btw" are not really, and boasting a nothing burger from even less. XD

  • wat.

    Did you misread? Or have a brain fart to misstep logic like that?

    Also,

    Plenty of distros share repos, kernels, software but they are still independent distros.

    You must be using "independent distros" in a very different way from the conventional understanding of these words.

  • That'd be so cool if someone were doing that. Just upgrading all the way since back then... when was HML? Something like 2007?

  • I installed Artix yesterday.

    Absent-mindedly.

    Meant to install AntiX.

    Didn't realise until done.

    XD

    A silly grep for "tix" (not "tiX") in iso dir, saw the various inits, + dyslexia + haste, went with it thinking I had the right ones to dd to usb. So absent minded all the artix logos in my face didn't phase me through booting and installing. XD

    Doesn't really matter. Installed AntiX straight after. Hijacked with bedrocklinux and installing the other to another stratum too anyway. I just wanted antiX for hijack default init stratum from the start, for a more stable (slower-upgrading) base.

    Fun that two distros offering init freedom are so similarly named. Just one letter and one capitalisation different. r > n & x > X.

    Well. That was fun. LOL.

    Can you choose your init in Arch or EndeavourOS yet?

  • A few of the replies here, those making those replies, could do with having someone introduce them to the concept of "put up or hack up", and getting into a Free Software philosophy mindset, and out of a consumer mindset.

    GIMP's free software. Free to use, study, share and change... You the user are empowered. Even if you yourself lack aptitude (beyond just having never tried), you can still seek the services of others, be it those you pay to implement what you want, or, form a community of like minded individuals with similar needs to be met, and from there, start to make it as you want. These days, even LLMs can help curate the software into forms more suited to your needs. ... That is, where that's not already happened, or where there are reconfigurations you were simply not aware of, because it had not occurred to you to search for such, having been conditioned to stay in the box by the consumer mindset the corporation curated in your mind. It's refreshing to get out of having your mind curated by the corporation, and into using your mind to curate your software.

    Either the user controls the software, or the user is controlled by the software and those who control the software.

    It's a different philosophy. Not just a different platform for you as a "consumer". You're not a cash-cow for the corporation, with Free Software. You can contribute. Scratch those itches yourself. You may find others share the same itch. Giving back, is a much more rewarding experience than just hoping daddy corporation will give you what you want while you continue to atrophy your abilities.

  • Did you reconfigure it much?

    There are preconfiguration packs that make it more like photoshop if you want. Gimpshop I think one is called.