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  • I mean, even this kind of argument doesn’t really work in reality. We already live in “hell on earth”, and via electorialism usually two choices are given: the progressive “nothing ever happens” option (so your socdems, democrats, you’ll be lucky to get a good policy or two but no real change to the status quo) or “literally hitler” option, maybe some parties that stand in the middle of the spectrum if the country is “advanced” enough.

    In other words, via electorialism you can either preserve the hell on earth or make it worse, and the process of voting legitimizes this status quo as it’s what “people have decided” rather than who the ruling class cast as candidates, who had the most money and media influence for campaigning.

    It’s important to see electorialism for what it truly is.











  • UHMMM AKSHUALLY (🤓) a single man cannot own all of earth, given how liberalism is heavily propagated and maintained by concepts such as nationalism and by extension xenophobia, racism, bigotry - all that fun stuff.

    If a single man or an entity tried to create some pan-cosmopolitan world where every piece of land is under a single world-wide country, you bet your ass there’s gonna be countless of reactionary national liberation movements to proclaim sovereignty.




  • I agree that the state isn’t the perfect solution, I’m not some dogmatic statist and who knows - maybe dutch leftcom councillism can work really well.

    Historical examples of communist revolutions who wielded the state were awful, I agree. However, using USSR in particular as anti-“withering away of the state” argument just shows a lack of understanding of the concept and history.

    The state isn’t some metaphysical evil that’s the “big bad”, no - it’s the oppressive class relations, and the state is merely an instrument to enforce such class relations. For the state to start withering away, one needs to do away with classes entirely, which means building up or repurposing productive forces for socialist mode of production, suppressing counter-revolutions (like in Russian Civil War) to keep the bourgeoisie away from returning to power, etc.

    USSR had a peasant and industrial underdevelopment problem, where after the revolution there was no way to quickly “build up” these forces without taking multiple decades to a decent enough state where everyone’s needs could be met via a planned economic model, which is a major task of a centralized state. Without this task being completed, capitalist commodity production model persists and state cannot wither away.

    But of course, all I have is a wall of materialist analysis and not some moralistic anarchist slogans. I do like Anarchists don’t get me wrong, but I wish there was more materialism incorporated into your analyses, like actual material reasons for why the state should be immediately abolished and actual alternatives to seizing control and making sure revolution succeeds over moralization and pointless prose.




  • It doesn’t make a classless society, but it is necessary at least for a short while to establish the class rule and an actual path towards socialism and withering away of the state.

    You can’t have socialism without having all of people’s needs met which requires repurposing the means of production, you can’t have socialism without strong control during the post-revolutionary period given the counter-revolutionary tendencies of bourgeoisie/third-party opportunistic groups (most revolutions happen in pairs/chains, its the most volatile period) - that’s the purpose of the period of transition.

    Historically, countries such as USSR, China (though its a question if China’s revolution was proletarian at all) and later didn’t get past the transitionary period because of tens if not hundreds of millions of peasantoids and underdeveloped industry, having them to stay in this awkward period for a long time, which led to complete degeneration of ideology after opportunists took the reigns (like Stalin), who bastardized the meaning of Socialism and essentially caused the countries to become “red bourgeois”.


  • Nope, it still is exploitative, given how surplus value implies workers not being paid full value for their labor. Even if workers were to seize the means of their production and got a say over their surplus value and where it gets repurposed, it’d still be exploitative due to how markers and competition works, and workers having to exploit themselves by “paying themselves” less, as that’s the only area where you can reliably cut costs of production.

    The only non-exploitative mode of production is socialist mode of production, where markets, private ownership, commodity production, wealth accumulation get all done away with for planned for-use production.


  • The problem with democracy as it is right now isn’t that it’s “the majority rule” (it isn’t), but the fact that it’s a tool of legitimizing class rule.

    You get a bunch of pre-approved bourgeois candidates and parties who will either bring about further entrenchment into Capitalism (with people like Trump) or literally nothing (as seen with socdems around the world), and the parties that usually win are determined by the amount of control they have over media or “the loudest voice” aka money.