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BrainInABox

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  • What do you think of panpsychism/the hard problem of consciousness?

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  • What part about their homeostasis dictates that responding to you is necessary to achieve a fruitful life?

    The same as yours. The only difference is that they don't experience qualia

    DAMN STRAIGHT.

    Least arrogant Redditer

    I beg of you: descibe to me a P Zombie that is a physical clone of me that doesn’t have my mental state.

    Read. The. Fucking. Paper

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  • Yes

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  • Hell yeah buddy, you're 12

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  • Biological programming dictates “dont die, and fuck*”.

    Ok. So? Why does that particular programming make it conscious. And once again you're asserting that all life is conscious.

    You're also just changing your argument on a whim now. First you said that pzombie wouldn't avoid traffic, because you need to be conscious to avoid traffic. Now you claim that a robot avoiding traffic isn't conscious because you don't need to be conscious to avoid traffic.

    You asked me to describe a color.

    No. I didn't. For fucks sake, just fucking read other people's words for once, instead of being so arrogant.

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  • Sure you did, I'm sure the person who proudly declared they don't read arguments from people they disagree with wrote a masters thesis on negentropy without understanding the second law of thermodynamics and thinking that maybe life violates it.

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  • Experience isn’t totally illusory, as stated in one of my previous comments.

    Ok. Then what exactly is the purpose of arguing that some of it is? You're back to square one.

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  • If we were to recreate a P Zombie of me right now why would they ever respond to you without qualia?

    "How can chat gpt respond to me if it's not conscious".

    Once again: because they are behaviourally identical to you.

    DAMN STRAIGHT.

    Ok. Just straight up admitting you don't know shit and you're proud of it. Just a hillbilly afraid those damn scary books.

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  • Whatever Mantis Shrimp got going on.

    That's not remotely the name of a color you've never seen but can perfectly imagine. Are you illiterate?

    Did it spontaneously avoid traffic through a means of self preservation?

    As much as a human does. Unless you're asserting the existence of a non-physical soul that transcends the laws of cause and effect.

    If so, maybe

    What do mean "maybe"? Yes or No?

    . If not, and it was programmed to do so, we have a direct explanation as to why it wasn’t.

    ....

    Oh. You literally are proposing that humans have a soul that transcends cause and effect and biological programming.

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  • You’re proposing an entity with my exact form that does not contain my exact mind state.

    It does not contain the qualia associated with your mind state

    That cannot exist.

    You really love begging the question.

    That is a category error. You are assigning a string variable to fucking integer.

    Fuck off back to reddit with these completely empty cliches.

    You need to define what you mean by a P Zombie exactly like me that does not possess consciousness.

    Damn, I wonder if the original paper might have done that. Guess you'll never know, given your refusal to do any actual investigation before asserting your right to speak.

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  • Yep, the comparison to silicone valley vcs is certainly apt

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  • So experience is illusory, but there's an agent that experiences that illusion? So experience isn't illusory then

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  • Lol, this reads like the white paper for an AI start up, and contains just about as much abuse of jargon.

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  • Please, for the love of God, learn what entropy actually is and what the laws of thermodynamics actually say before trying to wax lyrical about them. Learn what the term "closed system" means for a start

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  • Lots of process cause local reductions of entropy; it has nothing to do with life. And life massively increases global entropy.

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  • So you wouldn't consider it a bad thing if I tortured you to death? After all, you're just chemicals, no different than a rock or a river or a printer.

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  • The illusion that is being experienced by what?

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  • don’t think a P Zombie could ever have this conversation. Is that a good distinction?

    No, it's a terrible destination, because all you've done is articulate an inconsistent position.

    Yeah I just dont think P Zombies actual make sense as proposed.

    Maybe you should actually make the smallest effort to understand what is being proposed, rather just assuming your some big smart boy who automatically knows better than all the dumb-dumb professional philosophers.

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  • The P-Zombie you have invented in this thought experiment is question begging.

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    We cannot have a behaviorally identical Pzombie because humans are driven by consciousness, which P-Zombies are incapable of

    Literally question begging.

    Category error.

    Thought terminating cliche.

    An unconscious human gets hit by a car if they’re in the middle of the road.

    This is so fucking stupid. So if a robot can avoid traffic, it's conscious then.

    This question only works if you believe in the P-Zombie. Its a non-starter if you don’t.

    Or, you know, if you don't believe literally all animals, plants, and computers are conscious.

    I am capable of doing so with my incredibly small knowledge of color…

    Name one color you've never seen but can perfectly imagine.