And I actually went and checked those sources, and turns out they don't actually say what your quote says they say. No wonder you refused to quote them directly, knowing they didn't support you. (I'm just kidding: obviously you never bothered to check them. Wikipedia is religious scripture to you, divine truth, and the little blue numbers are just sigils of divine power that you never think to actually click through
The state of undergoing pain, distress, or hardship.
Sorry, what are those? What particles mediate them? I do not know of any mechanical process called "pain"
I, the inhabitant of this flesh suit, find it unpleasant
I thought you said it was all just biological soup and electricity. Now you're claiming there's some kind of ghost "inhabiting" it?
I value the experience of other fleshy bags of meat
How can a cloud of particles and forces have values or experiences? And if you do, why do you value some fleshy bags of meat but not others?
Its just a choice.
A choice? How can a deterministic set of mechanical interactions have a choice? It just responds to cause and effect according to the laws of physics.
I think my morality is pretty good though
Who's this "I" and what does "pretty good" mean? It's all just physics and chemistry right?
Might be good for our collective experiences idk.
Sorry, what's an "experience"? And why would your arbitrary designation of some physical systems as having a valence be "good"
I am giving you my best explanation of the evidence I have seen. If you have evidence we are more then electricity and soup by all means, share with the class.
You have it the wrong way around; you're the one asserting things beyond electrity and meat: things like "suffering", "experiences", "good and bad", "'inhabitants' of the 'flesh suits'".
I honestly don’t care to argue morality back and forth
I suspect you would change that tone pretty quickly if someone decided to take seriously your assertion that people are just meat and decided to dissect you.
There’s loads of evidence both chemical soup and electricity plays a significant role in me living and my inner experiences.
"Significant role" is very different from "there is only meat and electricity."
Where is the evidence something non material impacts my thoughts
Read this again and try to find the contradiction.
Just because we do not know something does not mean we should fill in the gaps.
I'm not. You are
I am qualitatively, materially different from a rock.
No. You aren't. You are made up of exactly the same three particles, subject to the exact same physical forces.
There is no evidence a rock can think, can suffer, can anything.
There's no evidence you can either: all we have is stimulus and response via physical mechanism. A mousetrap does that too
How? Your behavior is literally dictated by how hard I hit you five minutes ago. Is that P Zombie the same as then? Or now?
Read the paper.
A P Zombie is not real. Its anime shit. I am DETERMINED BY MY PAST, yet a ZOMBIE with no SEMBLANCE of my past determines the same thing? That doesn’t make sense.
You have already outright stated that you did not read the paper while repeatedly demanding people explain to you concepts that the paper explained. You are clearly now lying about having read it, just like you admitted lying about having written a masters thesis in physics.
that subjective experience is an objective “thing” that both of us are sharing?
Not exactly. We're not sharing anything; we both have our own subjective experiences that are inaccessible to each other. The point is that the subjective experiences happen at all. Compare this to just putting a rock or a printer on a stove.
and we can know that?
We can't know the other person has a subjective experiences for certain. But if you think you can't know about yourself that's the point of my comment: try putting your hand on a hot stove and convincing yourself you don't know if you're in pain or not.
but I don’t think “qualia” is a falsifiable or useful way to describe what is occurring
Again, try putting your hand on a stove and convincing yourself that this is no different than putting a rock on the stove.
Consciousness, as it seems to function, is a means to model your internal and external data into a single experience that will help you dictate further success in getting your fuck on.
So any reproducing system is conscious now. And presumably after going through menopause, women cease to be conscious.
The P Zombie with my exact make and model right next to me would never consider that me stabbing him in the dumb redditor skull will allow me to get MY fuck on in place of HIM
Sorry. What is "suffering?" How can a certain set of physical forces operating on a collection of cellular matter have a moral valence?
I am an intelligent creature capable of suffering.
What do you mean? We're just talking about a grouping of elementary particles responding to the laws of physics in a deterministic manner. Exactly the same as a rock, river, or printer. How can electricity and soup have any kind of subjective or moral properties?
Also, not evidence of anything outside of the material. Just wishes.
Really? Because you seem to be assertion the existence of some non-material dynamic that makes certain collections of particles qualitatively different from others.
I am a communist, dumbass