Yup. I’m Bo7a.
I haven’t either. But I can see how a young person without a lot of knowledge of the world and the impending weight of 50 years of work ahead of them, possibly with a family to feed, or an extended family to take care of due to the inherently predatory healthcare system where they were born, might make that choice. And I understand it, regardless of “forgiveness”.
How do you go from « saying no to cash » to « c-levels are the issue » in the context of ethical considerations for engineers that enable AI in military industrial complex?
I am not sure I get what this word soup is saying. No offense intended but maybe try re-wording this if you want to discuss.
PS: foundry is not an AI platform, the engineers I am talking about are usually 20-ish year old java and python devs, and it is easier to understand how someone in that group might not even know how evil evilcorp is.
Devil’s Advocate (damn near literally this time around)
Try being a young engineer at the top of your game and saying no to an offer where the yearly salary makes google engineers jealous. Not everyone can say no.
Palantir offers like 400k/year to run-of-the-mill forward deployed engineers for foundry (Civilian platform) where the job is 99% actually helping customers with interesting engineering problems.
I can’t even imagine what they are offering folks working on gotham (govt/military side.)
I guess what I’m trying to say is that while a ton of those engineers are soulless sociopaths, some of them just took a job that pays super well and they don’t personally align with the goals of the C-levels. And in fact - a ton won’t even know what those goals are.
Remember - Our enemy is the c-suite, not the level 1 support agent. Even at evilcorp. Thankfully I am in a position where my kids are grown up and the money treadmill isn’t set on hardmode for me anymore. I can say no. But even for me it is sometimes difficult.
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No offense intnded. But your anecdote is not evidence. Many studies have been done over this for many, many years.
Perhaps you are an outlier and are more productive than the average.
Or perhaps you are misinterpreting your productivity.
I probably should. But I’m pretty stubborn when I feel betrayed.
Yup.
I had to get it out of my last role but I liked a lot of the people I worked with. So I gave a 60-day resignation. Which would give them time to bring in a new person to fill the role. And give me time to hand over different platforms and processes. And teach him how to do the job.
24 hours later I was laid off on the spot and my accounts all shut down.
Now a month later they have hired a new guy and he’s messaging me on LinkedIn begging for help.
I feel sorry for him. But fuck that…
And rusty rams parked at every bar in red deer.
Bull. Shit.
My front door faces the back by normal standards. The side of our house facing the road has no door. Our one door opens onto the porch, and having that porch face the road instead of the forest would have been ridiculous.
You would not believe the number of people who walk up the driveway, don’t see a door, and get absolutely flummoxed about where to go… The gravel path CLEARLY goes around to the other side of the house, but that is not hint enough. We have had people knock at our bedroom window instead of following the path to find a door.
If you have a hatred of hierarchy and a love of nature send me a DM. I’m interviewing people for an intentional community.
The first 5 people that pass the vibe check will get a one dollar, 99 year lease, on .5 acres to call your own. As long as you also partake in fixing/improving central infra.
Oh and one heavy caveat… You gotta be cool with winter. We are in Canada.
My garage is bigger than my house and I’m very very happy with my house.
My garage is really not that big. Just that our house is 12 ft by 24 ft…
Hah! Fair jab. In my defense that title was just a blown up way to attempt to keep me onboard without a raise. Being director of IT in a startup with only one IT person is definitely not filled with director-level tasks. That title, and the bullshit that came with it, are a big part of why I left.
Nice try, troll. I’m posting here for the real humans. Not to convince you of anything.
edit to add: only one of us came into a thread espousing their views without being prompted. Maybe work on that before accusing others.
Finally, some criticism that makes sense! I will be sure to start feeding the foxes too. We already feed the birds, squirrels, chipmunks, marmots, bunnies, raccoons, stray cats, fish, black flies, and mosquitoes (with varying levels of ‘on purpose’).
What is one more species?
Seriously - This cruel bastard spends $500(cad) per month on feeding wildlife in the winter. What a piece of shit. And those raccoon houses we built so they’d be happy further from the house and stop tearing up our insulation? TORTURE FACILITIES filled with soft straw, eggs, fruit, and cat food.
Yes! Your deeply intellectual take based on my comparison of chickens shitting and screaming to how IT managers act is surely correct about how I live my life, and how those chickens live.
Fun fact - Our chickens live freely in the forest during the day, and have a nice safe place to sleep at night. We don’t force them to come home, but they know what lives out in the forest and choose to come back to where they are safe and have friends.
Oh and we don’t eat them. But if you wanna call pulling their non-viable eggs out from wherever they left them today violence then I have a few bridges to sell you in manhattan.
My CV looks something like:
Chickens might shit everywhere, scream constantly, and flap their wings just to get attention, much like managers. But they can’t make you polish that shit into a product to sell. And if one gets out of line you can just eat them.
“new”. Fucking scum.
I would bet we have a lot of the exact same thoughts on why this happens, and probably how to solve it. My only disagreement - and it is not a strong one - is the impossibility of forgiveness.
If they mature and leave, or even better, commit to being a monkey wrench for a bit before leaving… I think I can find space for them in my community.