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I advocate for logical and consistent viewpoints on controversial topics. If you're looking at my profile, I've probably made you mad by doing so.

  • It's perfectly distinguishable unless you're trying real hard to misinterpret what I said. As a Mod of a small Community myself, here's the difference in downvotes:

    1. Bad Faith Actor: Sees a post or a whole Community they don't like. Goes in and systematically downvotes a bunch of stuff on purpose. Topics, responses... everything. Downvotes because they hate the community and everything it stands for. See 50 downvotes in your Community in one day? That's these fuckers. Ban them. They are assholes and are vote manipulating. Probably ban them from related Communities for vote manipulation.
    2. Normal User: (--> We are here) May or may not comment in YOUR Community, especially if it's image-based. Sees a single post that they don't like out of thousands they see daily and downvotes it. Several months later, it may happen again. This is expected behaviour and is how an upvote / downvote system functions. Don't ban these or you're the asshole.
    3. Brigade Users: A coordinated attack to downvote or spam a Community stemming from some other place. They downvote everything and often post garbage. Ban these people. They are assholes and are vote manipulating. Probably ban them from related Communities for vote manipulation if not trying to seek an instance ban.
    4. Lurker: (The overwhelming majority of users are this) Indistinguishable from a Normal user in votes, but may not comment. May be an alt or bot account. Be wary. Check their post history to see if they're real people. If real, leave 'em alone. If empty, use your discretion. Don't ban from related Communities.
    5. Other: Downvotes accidentally when scrolling sometimes. These happen. May appear as a Lurker or a Normal User. Don't ban these or you're the asshole.

    Hope that helps!

  • I don't understand the thought process here. Like many, I don't browse Communities individually, I browse /All and sort by New.

    So I am required to see something I like and upvote or else I am not allowed to an express an opinion in the community (or any tangentially linked community)?

    If I see something I don't like (which is what the voting system is for), I should go to the Community it's posted in and make sure to upvote things before I downvote? That's the expected order of operations?

    If not... what if, while browsing /All /New nothing randomly appears that the viewer likes enough to upvote? Is that then somehow the fault of the viewer and they should then be banned?

    Am I interpreting your rulings correctly? 4 downvotes in the span of 10 months (judging by the times on those posts you listed) is a bannable offence? Seems rather heavy-handed to me.

  • We found the answer (kinda)! It was @Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com See here: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/34853477

    I was called out by name for a single downvote and culled from a score of Communities I did not participate in by them.

    "Create more slop" is, in fact, a message I disagree with rather strongly and did downvote that (and only that) post. I PM'd the the mod in response to that post:

    Brigading is organized. I, a single person, downvoted one post I saw in /All because it is actively content with a message I do not care for or agree with. Bad form would be going through everything in the community and downvoting. I didn’t do that either. What I had done is called “using the platform as intended.” And you overreacted with a ban.

    So we've effectively solved the first part, but not the three Stable Diffusion parts... Those also seem to line up with another single downvote a month later. Again, hardly brigading or vote manipulation.

    EDIT: Huh. Looks like we had someone in this thread downvoting nearly every post in here.

  • Not doing either, actually. After the post was found it linked things up and, as I explained elsewhere, this still stems from one downvote on the thread you see above. "Create More Slop" is a message I disagree with. Slop is just garbage generated content, not even intentionally made stuff. Just... low-tier trash. Not really into destroying the planet for less-than-shitposting purposes.

  • Oh! That explains it! "Create more slop" is, in fact, a message I disagree with rather strongly and did downvote that (and only that) post. I PM'd the the mod in response to that post:

    Brigading is organized. I, a single person, downvoted one post I saw in /All because it is actively content with a message I do not care for or agree with. Bad form would be going through everything in the community and downvoting. I didn’t do that either. What I had done is called “using the platform as intended.” And you overreacted with a ban.

  • Snoogums is correct, there was one downvote in one of those Communities, not in multiple. It was not in any way vote manipulation or brigading. Apologies if you're reading something else, but I felt I was being quite clear with my wording.

  • How can you tell what you downvoted while scrolling through the all feed or your subscriptions 3 months ago?

    By looking at the ban times and then comparing to the (very few) number of downvotes I made on my account in a range around that period.

    But they could have based the decision on other behaviour or downvotes of yours.

    I hadn't participated in those Communities outside that downvote whatsoever, so that would be doubtful.

  • There might be a misunderstanding... I only downvoted one post in one of those communities once. The others were untouched. As I said, some of them don't even have any posts to downvote.

  • Wouldn't one glance at my long-standing profile and the fact that it was only a single vote made out of the nearly a dozen communities that I was banned from indicate that I'm not part of a brigade?

  • I don't make it a habit of downvoting images simply because they're AI-gen, but there are well-done ones and horrible ones just like any images. Do they really ban for simply downvoting ANY AI image? That's... kind of a lot.

  • My insane conspiracy theorist mother in law would love this.

    Sadly.

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  • This may seem weird, but I'm weird, so here goes. I rewrote the article with your suggestions as I felt the exact same thing you did about the lack of substantive arguments in it. And no, I didn't use AI. Apologies in advance for Lemmy fucking up the formatting.

    I ordered a burger last Tuesday, and it was blue.

    "Why is my burger blue?" I asked, innocently.

    "Oh! We're making all of our food blue, all the best restaurants are doing it now." the waiter explained.

    But I didn't want my burger to be blue. I like my burgers to be the same reliable dark brown colour cooked meats are supposed to be. I'd read in the news recently that there's a lot of innovations being made in blue food colouring, and the taste is nearly undetectable. I knew the food colouring was there, and if you'd asked, I'd say there definitely was a hint of unpleasantness, but we've all had bad burgers before, and I just assumed the chef was having an off day.

    Sometimes humans make mistakes like that.

    A week later, I poured myself a glass of milk from a carton I had just opened. The milk was blue.

    I called up the milk company.

    "Oh! Of course, we make blue milk now. It doesn't affect the price in any way, but now the milk is blue."

    I tried it and it tasted wrong. I poured it down the sink.

    My friend called me crazy. He said that I just have to get used to food being blue now. Everyone likes blue food better, or, at least, it's not really any worse than the non-blue food if you don’t think about it too much. The blue is free, so why would I complain?

    "I just think it tastes weird." I explained, fruitlessly.

    "I can't tell the difference, and most people say it's just fine for food to be blue."

    But I didn't want my food to be blue. Was that so hard to understand? Even if they made the food colouring completely tasteless, I still didn't want it to be blue.

    In investor calls, the massive company making the blue food colouring had disclosed that in order to design it, they had to steal every recipe book both private and published. It’s okay though, they say copyright doesn’t apply to them; they have the money to make sure it doesn't.

    If added to food (and especially when added to specialty food), the blue food colouring could spontaneously make a food taste almost like someone’s personal family recipe without their permission. Well, the family recipe mixed with blue, anyway.

    It's been a year now.

    A year of food gradually turning more blue. The price of my (blue) milk went up. They blamed it on inflation and innovations they've made in milk jug technology. The blue milk now comes in a very fancy new (and very blue) package.

    The company that made blue food colouring had made it almost completely flavorless, and once all the food distributors got used to including it, the price of it skyrocketed. Rival blue food colouring companies had come up, and some existing food additive businesses had shifted their focus almost entirely to producing blue food colouring. It is a shame, honestly. I quite enjoyed other flavors, but nobody bothers to make them anymore.

    Once blue food waste occurs and things are washed down the drain or composed, it gets into the water supply and starts feeding back on itself, making food taste worse and worse.

    The companies manufacturing it also let slip that production of blue food colouring takes so much energy that they were bringing coal power plants back online and polluting hundreds of times more than previously. But at least it was easier to make something taste blue! Now things that previously tasted abysmal just tasted bad to mediocre instead! I complain to my friend about this, he nods in agreement and serves me a plate of blue pasta while handing me a bottle of Anti-Blue made as a byproduct of blue food colouring. If you add it to your food, it’s supposed to cancel out the blue. It sometimes works and the blue is less obvious, but the food still always looks and tastes wrong.

    Two years in, and I broke.

    "Why the heck is my salad blue?" I had been looking forward to this salad. In last year, I had become a picky eater. I was sick of eating blue burgers and making blue chicken sandwiches. At least they couldn't make the leaves blue.

    "Please don't speak to me like that, sir. I just serve the food." They had a point.

    "I'm sorry. But do you serve anything that isn't blue?" I asked, meekly. I was embarrassed at myself. I try to be polite to staff. They're paid less than minimum wage most of the time. They didn't deserve to be the focus of my ire.

    They pointed me to the disclaimer in the corner of the menu.

    "We are a blue-first company!" It helpfully explained.

    "All our food contains some amount of blue food colouring, but you can ask the chef in the back to remove it if you'd like".

    I asked. The chef looked annoyed.

    It's now the third year of Blue Food.

    I stopped eating out. I've started making my own food at home. It's a lot more effort, and it's not always as tasty as something made by a professional chef, but at least it's not blue. They say there's no way to tell now. You could just close your eyes and you'd not even know! But I know. I can tell. It doesn’t look or taste right. I don’t know how anyone can’t tell.

    There have been studies reporting that foods containing the blue food colouring completely lack any expected nutritional content, and when a blue food does contain nutrition it’s just a random accident of the process. We’ve also have other studies stating that people eating exclusively blue foods are not only malnourished, but that their body can no longer process normal foods as efficiently as before.

    I rant about it to friends. They nod politely.

    One day a friend offered to make me some "normal" food. It seemed fine, tasted okay. Only slightly off. I chalked that up to technique.

    Until they revealed that they'd secretly put blue food colouring in it. I'm such a fool, see! Where's the problem? Sure, there's ethical, mental, and environmental concerns with blue food colouring, but one bite of a secretly blue apple isn't burning down the forests, so why even bring it up?

    They're not a friend anymore.

    So now we're in our third year of blue food colouring. It's in the water now. I can't avoid it. I can't even shower now, as blue food colouring comes out of the taps. I make my own food but “advancements” in knives mean that even my homemade food is a little bit blue. Why do knives need to make things blue? So companies can say that their investment in blue wasn’t wasted and every time you cut something with a knife, it counts as an interaction with blue.

    Therefore you want blue (they tell us). We all do (they insist). Why else would we use it?

    And me? It's become my full-time job to avoid blue wherever I can and I've resigned to the fact I cannot escape it.

    And I still don't like the taste.

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  • That's fair, but comics like the above (which are endemic to this sub) aren't about the extremes and are about standard human behaviours.

    It'd be like someone seeing me double check the door lock at my house and saying "You must have OCD."

    I also find it mildly concerning that someone may see these memes / comics and self-diagnose themselves with a mental illness that they do not have since self-diagnosis (and wanting to belong to a group) is a massive issue in the internet age.

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  • That's been my exact response. So many things here are just... normal human behaviours.

  • Monty Python - Life of Brian

  • God damn... just now while I was watching YouTube killed the playlist and then the whole account! WTF?

  • What? That's not correct at all. The leading cause of death for women is heart disease, which accounts for approximately one in three female deaths each year. "Men" or any derivatives thereof on most statistical lists are below even common mosquitoes (malaria) as causes of death. A woman is more likely to be killed by their own kidneys than by a man.

    Don't spread needless culture war scare bullshit.

    Source: The goddamn CDC.

  • Ohhhh, THERE'S the boner I was looking for! Thanks bro.

  • Mostly acid reflux, I fear.