Just toying with the idea here. I am thinking about proposing in the next year and I never expected I would be in this position.
My sister was just proposed to and dude must have spent like 10 grand on the ring. I think she feels like he spent too much. It looks like the friggin thing weighs her whole hand down.
Also do you think it is misogynist to ask the lady’s dad for permission?
An engagement shouldn’t be a surprise, but a proposal can be (depending on what the couple wants!). As in your advice on discussing and agreeing jointly on getting engaged is really good.
My partner and myself decided against rings altogether and did a smaller wedding as well. It was awesome and not too expensive.