I posted a similar topic early today but worded it wrong that was my mistake. I’m genuinely curious how people have reached to this point and what they hope to achieve after. I understand getting rid of AI/LLM is the obvious one. What do you think we should do to get to that goal or your personal goal.
That’s the projected increase from YOUR OWN FUCKING SOURCE by 2030, and it’s not 2%, it’s 0.38% of global energy use.
You’re clearly moving the goalposts because you recognize you’ve lost. I know it, you know it, and you’re still choosing to be mad about it instead of mad that global meat production uses somewhere between 12% and 20% of global energy usage. We could all literally start eating vegetarian, and save somewhere between 31x and 52x more energy than AI datacenters are projected to use. You could eat vegetarian just one day a week, and you’d still save somewhere around 5x as much energy.
You don’t practice what you preach, you’re a hypocrite.
There is no goalpost to move. You want to blame pollution on US suburbanites as a way to discredit the environmenal impact of AI datacenters. I pointed out you are full of shit. You have no rebuttal.
I said that US citizens create more pollution and everyone should do their part. This is a fucking given.
Meanwhile 70%+ of pollution comes from industry. Your inability to see the bigger picture is stunning to say the least.
I’m not full of shit. Suburbanites have been blasting carbon into the atmosphere for a century at a rate the AI datacenters could only dream of. You’ve given no evidence to prove otherwise while I backed up my numbers.
Industry exists so that humans can consume. There is no industry on the planet who’s production (and energy use/pollution) can’t be directly or indirectly attributed to a human customer.
You buy the electricity that’s generated from the natural gas power plant. The pollution to produce and burn that is yours. Your car is made of metals that produced pollution and used energy (which also produced pollution) to extract and refine. That pollution is yours. The energy that went into rendering Toy Story 5, and building the movie theater, and growing the popcorn. That’s all yours.
Stop blaming industry, industry doesn’t exist unless people buy their products. You make the choices with your wallet.
Yes you are. You are an apologist for corporations. Pathetic. You have not disproven one thing I have said.
Industry wastes and produces products we don’t need. Take cooking pots and the forever chemicals fiasco. Corporations developed cheaper disposable cookware and in doing so poisoned every single human on the planet. Was this suburbanites fault? Fuck no. Corporations drove the adoption not the other way around to make MORE Money.
https://www.yesmagazine.org/environment/2022/01/31/climate-change-fossil-fuel-industry-individual-responsibility
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220504-why-the-wrong-people-are-blamed-for-climate-change
Take recycling plastic for our second example. Companies fucking knew recycling plastic was not feasible but they created an entire campaign around it to blame the consumer.
https://www.npr.org/2020/09/11/897692090/how-big-oil-misled-the-public-into-believing-plastic-would-be-recycled
You are acting so fucking ignorant it isn’t funny.
You literally just admitted that people got tricked by a company through propaganda to buy their products, while people knew and said there was a problem, ignored those people, and bought the products anyways. Then blamed the company.
It must be so easy to live your life in such ignorance. You never have to think hard about anything, just believe the marketing campaigns and ignore everything else.
This is exactly the same situation. You’re being lied to about AI, there is literally massive amounts of money flowing into anti-AI marketing right now, and instead of asking why anyone would spend money on that, you just accept it as truth because it doesn’t come from a company.
I am sorry, I didn’t understand your comprehension of the situation is this bad. The public didn’t know, the corporations did in regards to forever chemicals. The corporations covered it up and they are now fighting it through numerous lawsuits in the courts. Please do try to catch up.
https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2023/05/425451/makers-pfas-forever-chemicals-covered-dangers
Next up global warming. Did you know the petroleum scientists back in the 50s knew global warming was a real? The corporations then paid for the research to prove it. They covered this up and paid heavily into anti-climate change propaganda. This is why there is a climate change debate when it was already proven true by the companies doing the fucking polluting.
https://commonhome.georgetown.edu/topics/climateenergy/defense-denial-and-disinformation-uncovering-the-oil-industrys-early-knowledge-of-climate-change/
But please tell me I am soooo ignorant. What a joke.
You want to blame the individual which is literally propaganda paid for by corporations to absolve them of their crimes. Acting like a bootlicking little bitch isn’t as cool as you think it is.
You think pointing out that AI sucks is part of some giant fucking conspiracy!? What in the literal fuck are you on. Objectively there are a lot of things to not like about what corporations are doing with AI.
You talk about plastics recycling, then link stuff about PFAS. You’re so confused you hurt yourself.
Here is a link explaining the plastic issue.
https://www.npr.org/2020/09/11/897692090/how-big-oil-misled-the-public-into-believing-plastic-would-be-recycled
Again, while you’re right that the industry tried to hide it and use PR to obscure it. The fact that plastics weren’t being recycled wasn’t hidden information, it was publicly visible to anyone who read up on it. This is an education and propaganda issue.
2009 Study saying the same thing. https://royalsocietypublishing.org/rstb/article-abstract/364/1526/2115/20977/Plastics-recycling-challenges-and-opportunities?redirectedFrom=fulltext
2001 OECD Guidance that also identified that a lot of stuff didn’t get recycled, including plastics. https://www.oecd.org/content/dam/oecd/en/publications/reports/2001/03/extended-producer-responsibility_g1gh2874/9789264189867-en.pdf
Which itself refences studies done in the 90s and 80s about this same topic.
1993 https://one.oecd.org/document/OCDE/GD(93)194/en/pdf Table 1 in that document shows that less than 5% of plastics are being recycled.
However, you’ve sidetracked the conversation. The plastics industry DID lie, as have many other industries before it (Tobacco, Pesticides, Meat production, etc) however, I don’t see how that immediately makes AI bad. If every industry is bad, then why are we going after such a small industry instead of the existing giant ones?