“VATICAN CITY, June 23 (Reuters) - The Vatican on Tuesday reaffirmed a long-standing rule that only an ordained priest or ​deacon can give a sermon at a Catholic mass, ‌rejecting a request from German bishops to broaden the practice and allow sermons by women or other laypeople.”

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    It took me over 60 years, but I have finally understood that the mistranslations, misunderstandings, and outright fabrications of a small group of people thousands of years ago maybe influential, but that doesn’t make them true.

    The number of logical, philosophical, and moral backflips that you have to do in order to make any sense of it can only work if you have already decided that they are true. Without all that hand-waving, it’s ludicrous.

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      8 days ago

      you can read the original hebrew and greek

      and proof?

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        Do you want a list of the contradictions in the Bible? Or discrepancies in all the manuscripts that we have found, let alone all the translations?

        There is an enormous amount of justification and adoption of bizarre interpretations, just to try and fit our theology (both current and past) into what the Bible says, and what supports people’s preconceived ideas.

        After a while, I just got tired of difficult passages in the Bible being explained with, “oh, you have to interpret it like this for it to make sense”. Or, “it’s a mystery”. A few times yes, but over and over again? No, it seems obvious that we are making the Bible do things it was never created to do.

        And, if you can, try to approach it without the implicit or explicit understanding that it is a divinely inspired text. If it can’t stand up on its own, it’s definitely suspect.

        Dan McClellan has a good YouTube channel on biblical scholarship issues.

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          7 days ago

          it is mostly in parables

          just because you dont understand it doesnt make it illogical

          and thats why we need the Church, to interpret it for us.

          and contradictions

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            That sounds like a very Catholic interpretation (I grew up Catholic). Funny how we need to be told what to think, by people who have a vested interest in maintaining the existing power structures of the church, when the original teachings of Jesus were to illiterate farmers and fishermen.

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              they spend their entire lives studying the scriptures and God, so they can advise you on your life

              and his teachings were so powerful that they turned those farmers and fishermen into scholars who could write testimonies and letters

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                What are you talking about? None of the Gospels were written by apostles. It’s very unlikely that any of them could read or write, before or after Jesus.

                If Christians are people of the Book, why do they eat pork and shellfish, wear mixed fabrics, and why don’t they stone to death adulterers and children who disrespect their parents?

                What’s that? The New Covenant, you say? Okay, then why, given the example of the Lamb and the Suffering Servant, do Christians fight in armies as opposed to turning the other cheek and loving their enemies? Why don’t they sell everything the own and give the money to the poor?

                There’s always a justification for doing the opposite of what was explicitly commanded in the Bible. Before Constantine made Christianity the state religion, you could not be a Christian and serve in the Roman army. After Constantine, to serve in the Roman army you had to be a Christian. Hmmmm.

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                  1. sources?

                  2. Who prepares for a Groom when he has already come instead of addressing and serving him? The Old Testament laws (most of them) were in preparation for Christ

                  3. They should do that, but some of them dont. War can never be supported by the Church.

                  4. that says more about roman law than the Bible