I’ll need your definition of socialism, and “because the PRC said so” doesn’t change the material conditions of the nation. Just as the DPRK being called that doesn’t make it democratic.
Do I need to point at the so “North Korea is a democracy because it has democracy in the name” sign again?
Yes, the Nazis had some socialist leanings in the early days - but they were all eliminated once the Nazis came to power cementing them with Hitlers more pro-capital and anti-socialist side of the party rather than the more economically socialist Strasserites. So weren’t the government of the Nazi Reich, and out of the way long before the Second World War.
Mussolini’s PNF are a more interesting and murky choice, as Mussolini came from and had some more left wing views, and even though they crimibalised strikes they did at least give more heed to resolving class conflict - albeit as fascists do by conquest.
Israel is a good shout, and it was much more socialist back in its early days. Sadly, since the economic reforms of 85 with its privatisation of state services, cuts, and general adoption of neoliberal economic policy I don’t think counts as Socialist… And it only really got full fascy after then, the assassination of the leader in the 90s for the Oslo Accords and following elections makes a good mark for Israel turning unapologetically fascist I think
jeez, I didnt know this issue was THAT widespread
Capitalism breeds fascism 🤷
not necessarily , most fascist countries are actually socialist
Really? I’ll bite. Name 3, and please note that:
Israel WWII Germany WWII Italy also the west used to call the al-baath party a “fascist party” because its a socialist party
Do I need to point at the so “North Korea is a democracy because it has democracy in the name” sign again?
Yes, the Nazis had some socialist leanings in the early days - but they were all eliminated once the Nazis came to power cementing them with Hitlers more pro-capital and anti-socialist side of the party rather than the more economically socialist Strasserites. So weren’t the government of the Nazi Reich, and out of the way long before the Second World War.
Mussolini’s PNF are a more interesting and murky choice, as Mussolini came from and had some more left wing views, and even though they crimibalised strikes they did at least give more heed to resolving class conflict - albeit as fascists do by conquest.
Israel is a good shout, and it was much more socialist back in its early days. Sadly, since the economic reforms of 85 with its privatisation of state services, cuts, and general adoption of neoliberal economic policy I don’t think counts as Socialist… And it only really got full fascy after then, the assassination of the leader in the 90s for the Oslo Accords and following elections makes a good mark for Israel turning unapologetically fascist I think
israel was always fascist , the entire zionist ideology is fascist !
Zionism, especially it’s modern incarnation: sure.
But there was a struggle for Israel’s soul that fascism won, due to that Zionist influence. But it needn’t have necessarily won.
It was fascist in its paramilitary early days, too. But that also predated the state.