• Call me Lenny/Leni@lemm.ee
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      2 months ago

      What does sexual orientation have to do with economics?

      Surely the LGBT population has no bearing on the economy, right? I feel like I’m misunderstanding you somehow.

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        2 months ago

        Class war isn’t about economics, it’s about power.

        The “anti-woke” discourse is not as organic/grassroots as it appears; a large chunk of it is astroturfed.

        The media don’t simply reflect the public discourse, they also shape it. Who owns the media? The capitalist class. They use the media to keep the working class divided, fighting each other, and focused on blaming their problems on something, anything but the capital class itself.

        Noam Chomsky - The 5 Filters of the Mass Media Machine

        Conservative pundits (and liberal ones, for that matter) are paid handsomely to distract people, to maintain our false consciousness, to pit us against each other.

        Who owns the politicians? Again, the capitalist class, who fund their political campaigns. When politicians like Ron DeSantis rant about “woke ideology,” it’s almost always kayfabe; it’s an act.

        This is not to say that none of it is organic. Our upset and our anger comes from our deteriorating lives under late stage/neoliberal capitalism—wherein the capitalist class squeezes ever more out of us—creates fertile ground for reactionary fervor.

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            2 months ago

            How did this conversation go from “good-intentioned politicians” to whatever might be going on in Iran? Do you even know what’s really going on there? Because I don’t.

            Imperial core countries and corporate media feed us a lot of garbage about countries they consider their “enemy,” so you should be skeptical of what they tell us. With that said, I’m sure LGBTQ+ rights stand to be improved in Iran, but I don’t really know if they’re getting better, worse, or remaining the same right now. What I do know is that the US wants to paint Iran in as bad a light as possible, so I wouldn’t be surprised if the media should run more stories about the plight of LGBTQ+ people in Iran.

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              You then don’t see the irony in telling the LGBT “we stand with you” and then going to homophobic nations and homophobic sects and saying the same thing (because they promise help with a certain advancement in awareness)?

              That goes along with what I was talking about, about people making deals with the devil (a figure of speech by the way). I’m pretty sure this phenomenon does not need any help from class phenomenon, positive or negative, in order to exist.

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                2 months ago

                The irony of who telling which LGBT people and subsequently going to “homophobic” states and saying the same thing to whom?

                If someone understands what you’re trying to say, perhaps they can translate for me.

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                  2 months ago

                  There is no “which” or “whom”. That’s implied in the main inquiry. Unless you just wanted to talk about class to someone.

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                    2 months ago

                    There is no “which” or “whom”.

                    So there is a disembodied conversation going on between two non-entities, or groups of non-entities?

                    That’s implied in the main inquiry.

                    What is implied in what inquiry?

                    I’ve actually run into you before, in another post, and you didn’t make sense that time, either.