The idea of people being either good or bad, and deserving of punishment if the latter, is some conservative bullshit. People are products of biology, environment, and circumstance, and are usually very malleable. We need to stop buying into that right wing rhetoric of just condemning people, and focus on how to create change within them.
I would argue that it makes her someone who has done a shitload of evil, and on priors will do a bunch more if permitted. I would also argue that she is not inherently herself “bad”, and is capable of making better choices.
Of course. given the question of, “So hey Jadis is here and here is the Jadis-killing button, what are you going to do?” obviously we push the button, because the priors and EV suck, but we do think there is a meaningful difference there that it’s useful to draw, because most cases have not killed a world, and thinking you are bad rather than have done bad, establishes a story where it’s easiest to keep doing bad things. Why wouldn’t you? You’re bad, after all.
I was just point out that there is a difference between fiction and the real world.
In fiction there are people who are bad. They are just BAD and will be bad. They will never be good.
Jadis - in the Narnia stories - is (quite literally) the embodiment of evil. That is her role in the story. Her entire role is set up as the opposite of Aslan who is (quite literally) The Jesus figure, so clearly, she is not going to be a good person. Every act she does, every move she makes, ever decision that she takes is bad.
I am aware the real world is not like that, but that’s why we have fiction - so characters can be created that are NOT real.
I would also refer you to Oscar Wilde and his opinion on fiction (The Importance of Being Earnest).
The idea of people being either good or bad, and deserving of punishment if the latter, is some conservative bullshit. People are products of biology, environment, and circumstance, and are usually very malleable. We need to stop buying into that right wing rhetoric of just condemning people, and focus on how to create change within them.
Jadis destroyed an entire world with a single word because she wanted to defeat her sister.
And she turned people who disagreed with her to stone.
I think most people - liberal and conservative and moderates - would agree that makes her bad.
I would argue that it makes her someone who has done a shitload of evil, and on priors will do a bunch more if permitted. I would also argue that she is not inherently herself “bad”, and is capable of making better choices.
Of course. given the question of, “So hey Jadis is here and here is the Jadis-killing button, what are you going to do?” obviously we push the button, because the priors and EV suck, but we do think there is a meaningful difference there that it’s useful to draw, because most cases have not killed a world, and thinking you are bad rather than have done bad, establishes a story where it’s easiest to keep doing bad things. Why wouldn’t you? You’re bad, after all.
I was just point out that there is a difference between fiction and the real world.
In fiction there are people who are bad. They are just BAD and will be bad. They will never be good.
Jadis - in the Narnia stories - is (quite literally) the embodiment of evil. That is her role in the story. Her entire role is set up as the opposite of Aslan who is (quite literally) The Jesus figure, so clearly, she is not going to be a good person. Every act she does, every move she makes, ever decision that she takes is bad.
I am aware the real world is not like that, but that’s why we have fiction - so characters can be created that are NOT real.
I would also refer you to Oscar Wilde and his opinion on fiction (The Importance of Being Earnest).
I fully agree but it perfectly fits into a lot of rhethoric you see on here, so I don’t think it’s entirely unfitting.