The difference is that the Soviet Union actually did help Chinese communists and the Spanish partisans. What form of material help has China provided the Palestinian resistance? Zilch.
You didn’t even read the quote you posted, did you? “(…) the reason being that it actually is helping China”
This is a legitimate, very material critique of the Chinese project and cannot be handwaved away. It is disingenuous to do so.
China has affirmed that Palestinians must control Palestine in their own state, and served as a vital mediator for the 2024 Beijing Declaration, where Fatah and Hamas were brought closer together and the resistance as a whole in Palestine came together to collaborate more closely, alongside China. In the 2024 Beijing Declaration, which China was a core mediator for, it was declared that the resistance must not be disarmed.
China is contributing to a multi-polar world, which undermines Israel and supports Palestine. China’s position in the global stage facilitates south-south trade, which bypasses unequal exchange, where the global north maintains monopolies on high tech industries so as to consistently charge monopoly prices in exchange with the global south. China charges non-monopoly prices, and this is why exchange with China, alongside the rise of the Belt and Road Initiative, has resulted in dramatic development in African and Latin American countries. This is ultimately the single greatest contributor to the downfall of imperialism globally, and is why right now there is such a large cold war with China.
In facilitating south-south trade and undermining the US Empire’s hegemony, the PRC is undermining Israel as a settler-colony. It also served as a vital supporter of Palestinian statehood, and is an ally to the resistance and mediator between their factions.
You’re talking about China being a mediator for different resistance groups within Palestine. That’s not significant material help. That’s almost nothing. Many countries mediate discussions between different political entities. This is not new, and this is not a service Palestinians could not have rendered from elsewhere.
Real material support would be Iran, who bombed Tel Aviv. It would be Houthis, who were the only ones who blockaded Israel in accordance with international law. Hezbollah helped my sending missiles to Isntreal. Even fucking Qatar sent, for many years, financial support for Hamas. That’s help - real, material help. This, China has not provided in any meaningful way.
I don’t know why you wrote your grand theory about how China is going destroy the United States and destroy imperialism and destroy unequal exchange and destroy US hegemony. Regardless of if that is true, or if that is going to happen, the larger narrative that the BRI has anything to do with Palestinian liberation is just wishful thinking. You do not help burn victims by selling fireproof bricks. You need bandages and medication, and you need it right now. You might help future, hypothetical burn victims by making fireproof bricks, but that doesn’t help burn victims now.
I don’t know what you’re trying to prove, but the fact that China hasn’t helped Palestine as much as a country of its size and influence could have is rather evident. If the Soviet Union still existed, the Zionazis couldn’t have been so blatant in its genocide, never in a million years. This is a legitimate critique of the Socialist project in China.
is an ally to the resistance and mediator between their factions
China is not an ally to the Palestinian people. Allies send weapons and money. Allies fight on your behalf. At the very least allies do not trade with your opponents. China doesn’t do any of these. The most China has ever come to being an ally to Palestine was affirming Palestinian statehood. But most countries on Earth have that position, including liberal democratic regimes. That is not a very controversial position to have for a country. Have they called for the dismantling of Israel? Have they affirmed their support for the one state solution? No they haven’t. Quit pretending. China helps the bare minimum it feels like it has to. It hedges its bets so that it can come winning no matter the outcome, even at the detriment of Palestinian resistance.
Just remember, Qatar, an Arab monarchy, and a US puppet, even they did so much more to help Palestinians than China ever did.
The soviet union, for all its merits, no longer exists, and Israel was still genocidal during its existence. Further, the idea that simple mediation is all the PRC does is blindness. Israel exists because of US support, and undermining US imperialism undermines Israel’s basis for existence. Further still, the PRC has been providing support behind the scenes, from intel in Iran to Hamas using many Chinese-made weaponry. As China becomes more self-reliant, it will be able to be more proactive in the internationalist struggle, but it is not that day.
and undermining US imperialism undermines Israel’s basis for existence
You know what would really undermine Israel’s basis for existence? Funding Hamas. Which China doesn’t do.
to Hamas using many Chinese-made weaponry
Are you kidding me? This is the same as saying that Osama Bin Laden was helped by the USSR because the Mujahideen used AKs. Chinese guns are cheap, so they buy it, with their own money, from people that have bought them. China does not supply arms to Palestinian resistance.
Israel was still genocidal during its existence
The Soviet Union and various entities within the Soviet bloc provided real material help to Palestinian resistance. This that can be counted and measured. Not thoughts and prayers. They did so much as hijack planes to demand the release of Palestinian prisoners
You’re continuing to undermine the significance of the Beijing Declaration, where Fatah and Hamas were brought closer together, and understating the significance of China’s sale of weaponry to Hamas and restrictions on rare Earths and vital components for weaponry to Israel and the US Empire. I am not washing aside the soviet union’s valiant efforts, but at the same time it could only do so thanks to its independence and self-sufficiency, which the PRC does not have yet. It’s no coincidence that self-reliance is a big part of the 15th Five Year Plan, which gives the PRC far more room to act on the international stage.
I too wish China was doing more, but I’m not going to pretend that they are doing nothing. Nor am I going to pretend that undermining imperialism has no connection to Palestinian liberation.
You’re continuing to undermine the significance of the Beijing Declaration
Absolutely not. It is important for what it is, but it is not material help. My argument was and continues to remain that China does not materially help Palestine
China’s sale of weaponry to Hamas
Where? There is no evidence for this ever happening. You posted an article that says that the Diaper forces (famously reliable source of information) has said that Hamas uses Chinese guns. Chinese made guns, if you didn’t know, are fairly popular among resistance fighters everywhere because they are cheap. So were Soviet made guns back in the day. African warlords have them. China is funding African warlords as well?
restrictions on rare Earths and vital components for weaponry to Israel and the US Empire
Did you read the press release? They did not stop the export of rare Earth elements because of their potential use in weaponry. And they didn’t do it because of Israel. Short of directly selling arms to the Diaper Forces, China conducts most types of trade with Isntreal.
which the PRC does not have yet
The largest economy in the world cannot afford to spare political support for Palestine, eh? I guess countries that do support Palestine do not exist? The assertion that China would be blocked from world trade if they were to support Palestine is mind mindbogglingly inaccurate. Look at Qatar, a small country with an American military base on their soil. They are in no way shape or form independent. Their economy is tiny and they survive entirely on imports. And they have been funding Hamas for ages. You telling me if Qatar who’ve got America’s dick so far down their throat could do this, China couldn’t? At this point, even the Russians have done far more for Palestine than China. They significantly re-armed Iran and financed them so they could keep supporting Palestine.
pretend that they are doing nothing
Zilch. They have done nothing material whatsoever. They have not sent aid, in food or clothes. They have not sent weapons. They have not sanctioned Isntreal. They have however, sent their strongest words of condemnation along with thoughts and prayers. History will look back on China as enablers of the Palestinian genocide, as it will most of the world. But hey, they sent a strongly worded letter to the Isntreally embassy in Beijing which still continues to operate housing war criminals inside.
This is not the first time China has betrayed other revolutionary causes internationally. They have even done so much as voting against the DPRK to sanction them at the UN. Repeatedly.
There would have been literally no consequences for China for blocking these. They have, in other instances, blocked similar resolutions, with no consequences whatsoever. Even if there were consequences, they wouldn’t be existential or even too detrimental.
This is a pattern of behavior, and is not in the spirit of proletarian internationalism. It has been said that this is even a betrayal of proletarian internationalism. As much as 10 percent of the gross national production of the Soviet Union was diverted to the People’s Republic for almost a decade after the Chinese revolution, for free, to help the young project. This is not including countless engineers, doctors and scientists who were also sent over. Where are the Chinese scientists, doctors and advisors in Palestine?
Pretending that your favorite socialist project in the world aligns with your imaginary, perfect version that exists in your mind does nobody any favors. China has achieved a great deal and will achieve a great deal. Proletarian internationalism and the goodwill of communists elsewhere in the third world are not in that list.
The point is not that China would face no consequences at all if they politically supported Palestine (They do not, by the way. As far as I know, they officially endorse the two state solution :vomit:). The point is that they wouldn’t do even so much as stopping trade with Israel for the very little consequences they would face. They wouldn’t even absorb such a minimal economic impact.
They are capable of extending themselves and flexing their military when they feel like it. They sent their fleet to threaten Australia as a power play. They conduct military exercises in the South China sea. And they militarily threaten Taiwan province and the American military establishment there. Only when it suits them. I haven’t seen a Chinese fleet near Israel.
Absolutely not. It is important for what it is, but it is not material help. My argument was and continues to remain that China does not materially help Palestine
Uniting resistance groups isn’t “material help?” Humanitarian aid and diplomatic moves towards statehood isn’t “material help?” Support for the PLO isn’t material help?
Where? There is no evidence for this ever happening. You posted an article that says that the Diaper forces (famously reliable source of information) has said that Hamas uses Chinese guns. Chinese made guns, if you didn’t know, are fairly popular among resistance fighters everywhere because they are cheap. So were Soviet made guns back in the day. African warlords have them. China is funding African warlords as well?
Hamas uses weapons produced by the DPRK as well, are you arguing that they are getting black market DPRK weaponry as well? Hamas uses what it can get its hands on, yes, including a mix of first and second hand weaponry.
Did you read the press release? They did not stop the export of rare Earth elements because of their potential use in weaponry. And they didn’t do it because of Israel. Short of directly selling arms to the Diaper Forces, China conducts most types of trade with Isntreal.
China specifically restricts trade of rare Earths useful in making weaponry. Regardless of what the outward statements may be, they know that restricting rare Earths restricts weapons manufacturers.
The largest economy in the world cannot afford to spare political support for Palestine, eh? I guess countries that do support Palestine do not exist? The assertion that China would be blocked from world trade if they were to support Palestine is mind mindbogglingly inaccurate. Look at Qatar, a small country with an American military base on their soil. They are in no way shape or form independent. Their economy is tiny and they survive entirely on imports. And they have been funding Hamas for ages. You telling me if Qatar who’ve got America’s dick so far down their throat could do this, China couldn’t? At this point, even the Russians have done far more for Palestine than China. They significantly re-armed Iran and financed them so they could keep supporting Palestine.
And China is highly likely to be providing intelligence to Iran, donated 100 million to Gaza in humanitarian aid in 2025 alone, and has been doing far more than you believe.
Zilch. They have done nothing material whatsoever. They have not sent aid, in food or clothes. They have not sent weapons. They have not sanctioned Isntreal. They have however, sent their strongest words of condemnation along with thoughts and prayers. History will look back on China as enablers of the Palestinian genocide, as it will most of the world. But hey, they sent a strongly worded letter to the Isntreally embassy in Beijing which still continues to operate housing war criminals inside.
China has sent aid, hundreds of millions. They haven’t sanctioned the entity, but they have restricted sales of weaponry and undermined the US’s ability to support Israel.
This is not the first time China has betrayed other revolutionary causes internationally. They have even done so much as voting against the DPRK to sanction them at the UN. Repeatedly.
There would have been literally no consequences for China for blocking these. They have, in other instances, blocked similar resolutions, with no consequences whatsoever. Even if there were consequences, they wouldn’t be existential or even too detrimental.
China has consistently only ever veto’d at the security council if it is willing to intervene millitarily in order to protect the veto’d outcome. The PRC has veto’d sanctions on the DPRK, and has enforced that veto by increasing trade with the DPRK. The US Empire has never been stopped by a veto, such as when it was determined to stop shipping arms to Haiti, which the US subverted. China vetoing the UNSC declaration on Palestine would mean mobilizing its army to directly prevent the US’s plans for the region.
This is a pattern of behavior, and is not in the spirit of proletarian internationalism. It has been said that this is even a betrayal of proletarian internationalism. As much as 10 percent of the gross national production of the Soviet Union was diverted to the People’s Republic for almost a decade after the Chinese revolution, for free, to help the young project. This is not including countless engineers, doctors and scientists who were also sent over. Where are the Chinese scientists, doctors and advisors in Palestine?
Pretending that your favorite socialist project in the world aligns with your imaginary, perfect version that exists in your mind does nobody any favors. China has achieved a great deal and will achieve a great deal. Proletarian internationalism and the goodwill of communists elsewhere in the third world are not in that list.
I don’t pretend the PRC is a fantasy, perfect version. I also don’t lie about easily verifiable claims, like saying China hasn’t sent aid.
The point is not that China would face no consequences at all if they politically supported Palestine (They do not, by the way. As far as I know, they officially endorse the two state solution :vomit:). The point is that they wouldn’t do even so much as stopping trade with Israel for the very little consequences they would face. They wouldn’t even absorb such a minimal economic impact.
China supports the two-state solution not as a permanent solution, but the first step to the freedom of Palestine by getting Palestine legal recognition as a state.
They are capable of extending themselves and flexing their military when they feel like it. They sent their fleet to threaten Australia as a power play. They conduct military exercises in the South China sea. And they militarily threaten Taiwan province and the American military establishment there. Only when it suits them. I haven’t seen a Chinese fleet near Israel.
China is not threatening other countries, and China isn’t risking war with the west.
Overall, the idea that China is doing “nothing” for Palestine is just ultraleftism. They provide diplomatic support for statehood, send humanitarian aid, medical assistance, support Iran, are undermining imperialism and thus eroding Israel’s support base, and more. You’re acting like they are an active enemy of Palestine, rather than a steady ally that has varied in its levels of support.
They didn’t unite the resistance groups. They united themselves. China hosted them. They have been hosted by a lot of different countries. Mediating an international dispute is something all large countries (and sometimes small countries) take part in. This isn’t special and this isn’t help. Was Singapore helping the DPRK by offering to host Kim for his meeting with Trump, while at the same time participating in sanctions? No.
are you arguing that they are getting black market DPRK weaponry as well?
Yes. Is this surprising to you? I know for a fact that the Type 88 is fairly common anywhere in the world. Not hard to find. You are skirting around uncomfortable truths. There is literally no evidence for China ever providing arms to Palestinian resistance groups. Neither have they sent arms to groups whose trucks guns could accidentally fall off of.
China specifically restricts trade of rare Earths useful in making weaponry.
Rare earth elements have a wide range of uses. They are used in electronics, primarily. The largest market of electronics is consumers, not militaries. There is no question that things that China do may end up benefiting Palestine in a roundabout cursory way. That is not the point of contention here. If tomorrow, Xi kicks a stone down the road, and by some large chain of events that followed eventually ends up turning the trajectory of a Pissreali missile such that it missed a building, this cannot be attributed to the good will of China.
donated 100 million to Gaza in humanitarian aid in 2025 alone, and has been doing far more than you believe
I thought I wouldn’t have to explain this to a self proclaimed communist, but here we are. We are talking about “aid” that China provided through an organization in Jordan. Essentially, this is an organization that pledge to respect Israel’s sovereignty, that is, they do not defy blockades. And most importantly, they do not associate with organizations designated as terrorist organizations by the US, ie, Hamas. This aid package does not involve Palestinian resistance. Helping refugees in Jordan would also count towards this aid. In terms of actual material help that would reach Palestinian resistance, China has contributed nothing. The US for example, has provided 600 million in 2025 for Gaza, again, through organizations such as the UNRWA and USAID that respect Pissrael’s sovereignty. You know for a fact that this token aid means nothing when the US does it. It doesn’t mean anything when China does it either. China also funds the UNRWA by the way, which has the explicit policy of not letting Hamas have any of the humanitarian aid, ever.
Contrast this to Iran or Qatar, both of whom provide actual money to Hamas, both in the hundreds of millions. China’s aid is what we call a token aid.
I also don’t lie about easily verifiable claims, like saying China hasn’t sent aid.
China does not send aid to Hamas. This is a verifiable fact. China doesn’t send money, China doesn’t send weapons. China does engage in humanitarian aid that Pissrael allows, which almost every country on Earth also engages in.
Here they are in 2024 providing humanitarian aid
Funny you should link this because they sent the aid to Egypt which was at the time and still is blockading Gaza against the wishes of Hamas.
China supports the two-state solution not as a permanent solution, but the first step to the freedom of Palestine by getting Palestine legal recognition as a state.
Source? Or is this from your vivid imagination as well?
China has consistently only ever veto’d at the security council if it is willing to intervene millitarily in order to protect the veto’d outcome
They why sanction the DPRK? They are able to and can militarily protect their trade with the DPRK.
The US Empire has never been stopped by a veto
The point of these resolutions were not that the US would trade with the DPRK otherwise. It was that other neutral countries, including China would. China themselves have cut trade with the DPRK because of the sanctions imposed upon the DPRK in part by China themselves. The second link I posted is proof of this. Chinese trade volume went down after the resolution. China abides by the sanctions imposed on the DPRK by the UN security council, of which China is a permanent member.
I have no idea how you think you could spin a blatant attack on a fellow socialist state as something neutral.
China vetoing the UNSC declaration on Palestine would mean mobilizing its army to directly prevent the US’s plans for the region
No it doesn’t. It would mean that the US wouldn’t have the symbolic backing of the UN, that’s all. They seek a vote in the UNSC for legitimacy. They did it in Vietnam, they did it in Korea. Catch up already, we have had 80+ years of the US-led world order already.
I am refuting your meme independently. What you posted insinuates that what the Soviet Union did is equivalent to what China is doing now. Regardless of who you were replying to, my point stands. Mao would indeed be rolling in his grave if he saw what China was doing today on Palestine. Mao’s China would have supported Palestine in a much more substantial, material way, and indeed they did.
The People’s Republic of China must not be uncritically supported. The critical in critical support means something. Their (and everyone else’s for that matter) trade and profiting off of Palestinian misery must be condemned. Trading with an apartheid state is immoral and unethical.
The difference is that the Soviet Union actually did help Chinese communists and the Spanish partisans. What form of material help has China provided the Palestinian resistance? Zilch.
You didn’t even read the quote you posted, did you? “(…) the reason being that it actually is helping China”
This is a legitimate, very material critique of the Chinese project and cannot be handwaved away. It is disingenuous to do so.
China has affirmed that Palestinians must control Palestine in their own state, and served as a vital mediator for the 2024 Beijing Declaration, where Fatah and Hamas were brought closer together and the resistance as a whole in Palestine came together to collaborate more closely, alongside China. In the 2024 Beijing Declaration, which China was a core mediator for, it was declared that the resistance must not be disarmed.
China is contributing to a multi-polar world, which undermines Israel and supports Palestine. China’s position in the global stage facilitates south-south trade, which bypasses unequal exchange, where the global north maintains monopolies on high tech industries so as to consistently charge monopoly prices in exchange with the global south. China charges non-monopoly prices, and this is why exchange with China, alongside the rise of the Belt and Road Initiative, has resulted in dramatic development in African and Latin American countries. This is ultimately the single greatest contributor to the downfall of imperialism globally, and is why right now there is such a large cold war with China.
In facilitating south-south trade and undermining the US Empire’s hegemony, the PRC is undermining Israel as a settler-colony. It also served as a vital supporter of Palestinian statehood, and is an ally to the resistance and mediator between their factions.
You’re talking about China being a mediator for different resistance groups within Palestine. That’s not significant material help. That’s almost nothing. Many countries mediate discussions between different political entities. This is not new, and this is not a service Palestinians could not have rendered from elsewhere.
Real material support would be Iran, who bombed Tel Aviv. It would be Houthis, who were the only ones who blockaded Israel in accordance with international law. Hezbollah helped my sending missiles to Isntreal. Even fucking Qatar sent, for many years, financial support for Hamas. That’s help - real, material help. This, China has not provided in any meaningful way.
I don’t know why you wrote your grand theory about how China is going destroy the United States and destroy imperialism and destroy unequal exchange and destroy US hegemony. Regardless of if that is true, or if that is going to happen, the larger narrative that the BRI has anything to do with Palestinian liberation is just wishful thinking. You do not help burn victims by selling fireproof bricks. You need bandages and medication, and you need it right now. You might help future, hypothetical burn victims by making fireproof bricks, but that doesn’t help burn victims now.
I don’t know what you’re trying to prove, but the fact that China hasn’t helped Palestine as much as a country of its size and influence could have is rather evident. If the Soviet Union still existed, the Zionazis couldn’t have been so blatant in its genocide, never in a million years. This is a legitimate critique of the Socialist project in China.
China is not an ally to the Palestinian people. Allies send weapons and money. Allies fight on your behalf. At the very least allies do not trade with your opponents. China doesn’t do any of these. The most China has ever come to being an ally to Palestine was affirming Palestinian statehood. But most countries on Earth have that position, including liberal democratic regimes. That is not a very controversial position to have for a country. Have they called for the dismantling of Israel? Have they affirmed their support for the one state solution? No they haven’t. Quit pretending. China helps the bare minimum it feels like it has to. It hedges its bets so that it can come winning no matter the outcome, even at the detriment of Palestinian resistance.
Just remember, Qatar, an Arab monarchy, and a US puppet, even they did so much more to help Palestinians than China ever did.
The soviet union, for all its merits, no longer exists, and Israel was still genocidal during its existence. Further, the idea that simple mediation is all the PRC does is blindness. Israel exists because of US support, and undermining US imperialism undermines Israel’s basis for existence. Further still, the PRC has been providing support behind the scenes, from intel in Iran to Hamas using many Chinese-made weaponry. As China becomes more self-reliant, it will be able to be more proactive in the internationalist struggle, but it is not that day.
You know what would really undermine Israel’s basis for existence? Funding Hamas. Which China doesn’t do.
Are you kidding me? This is the same as saying that Osama Bin Laden was helped by the USSR because the Mujahideen used AKs. Chinese guns are cheap, so they buy it, with their own money, from people that have bought them. China does not supply arms to Palestinian resistance.
The Soviet Union and various entities within the Soviet bloc provided real material help to Palestinian resistance. This that can be counted and measured. Not thoughts and prayers. They did so much as hijack planes to demand the release of Palestinian prisoners
You’re continuing to undermine the significance of the Beijing Declaration, where Fatah and Hamas were brought closer together, and understating the significance of China’s sale of weaponry to Hamas and restrictions on rare Earths and vital components for weaponry to Israel and the US Empire. I am not washing aside the soviet union’s valiant efforts, but at the same time it could only do so thanks to its independence and self-sufficiency, which the PRC does not have yet. It’s no coincidence that self-reliance is a big part of the 15th Five Year Plan, which gives the PRC far more room to act on the international stage.
I too wish China was doing more, but I’m not going to pretend that they are doing nothing. Nor am I going to pretend that undermining imperialism has no connection to Palestinian liberation.
Absolutely not. It is important for what it is, but it is not material help. My argument was and continues to remain that China does not materially help Palestine
Where? There is no evidence for this ever happening. You posted an article that says that the Diaper forces (famously reliable source of information) has said that Hamas uses Chinese guns. Chinese made guns, if you didn’t know, are fairly popular among resistance fighters everywhere because they are cheap. So were Soviet made guns back in the day. African warlords have them. China is funding African warlords as well?
Did you read the press release? They did not stop the export of rare Earth elements because of their potential use in weaponry. And they didn’t do it because of Israel. Short of directly selling arms to the Diaper Forces, China conducts most types of trade with Isntreal.
The largest economy in the world cannot afford to spare political support for Palestine, eh? I guess countries that do support Palestine do not exist? The assertion that China would be blocked from world trade if they were to support Palestine is mind mindbogglingly inaccurate. Look at Qatar, a small country with an American military base on their soil. They are in no way shape or form independent. Their economy is tiny and they survive entirely on imports. And they have been funding Hamas for ages. You telling me if Qatar who’ve got America’s dick so far down their throat could do this, China couldn’t? At this point, even the Russians have done far more for Palestine than China. They significantly re-armed Iran and financed them so they could keep supporting Palestine.
Zilch. They have done nothing material whatsoever. They have not sent aid, in food or clothes. They have not sent weapons. They have not sanctioned Isntreal. They have however, sent their strongest words of condemnation along with thoughts and prayers. History will look back on China as enablers of the Palestinian genocide, as it will most of the world. But hey, they sent a strongly worded letter to the Isntreally embassy in Beijing which still continues to operate housing war criminals inside.
This is not the first time China has betrayed other revolutionary causes internationally. They have even done so much as voting against the DPRK to sanction them at the UN. Repeatedly.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1718 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_2270
There would have been literally no consequences for China for blocking these. They have, in other instances, blocked similar resolutions, with no consequences whatsoever. Even if there were consequences, they wouldn’t be existential or even too detrimental.
This is a pattern of behavior, and is not in the spirit of proletarian internationalism. It has been said that this is even a betrayal of proletarian internationalism. As much as 10 percent of the gross national production of the Soviet Union was diverted to the People’s Republic for almost a decade after the Chinese revolution, for free, to help the young project. This is not including countless engineers, doctors and scientists who were also sent over. Where are the Chinese scientists, doctors and advisors in Palestine?
Pretending that your favorite socialist project in the world aligns with your imaginary, perfect version that exists in your mind does nobody any favors. China has achieved a great deal and will achieve a great deal. Proletarian internationalism and the goodwill of communists elsewhere in the third world are not in that list.
The point is not that China would face no consequences at all if they politically supported Palestine (They do not, by the way. As far as I know, they officially endorse the two state solution :vomit:). The point is that they wouldn’t do even so much as stopping trade with Israel for the very little consequences they would face. They wouldn’t even absorb such a minimal economic impact.
They are capable of extending themselves and flexing their military when they feel like it. They sent their fleet to threaten Australia as a power play. They conduct military exercises in the South China sea. And they militarily threaten Taiwan province and the American military establishment there. Only when it suits them. I haven’t seen a Chinese fleet near Israel.
Uniting resistance groups isn’t “material help?” Humanitarian aid and diplomatic moves towards statehood isn’t “material help?” Support for the PLO isn’t material help?
Hamas uses weapons produced by the DPRK as well, are you arguing that they are getting black market DPRK weaponry as well? Hamas uses what it can get its hands on, yes, including a mix of first and second hand weaponry.
China specifically restricts trade of rare Earths useful in making weaponry. Regardless of what the outward statements may be, they know that restricting rare Earths restricts weapons manufacturers.
And China is highly likely to be providing intelligence to Iran, donated 100 million to Gaza in humanitarian aid in 2025 alone, and has been doing far more than you believe.
China has sent aid, hundreds of millions. They haven’t sanctioned the entity, but they have restricted sales of weaponry and undermined the US’s ability to support Israel.
China has consistently only ever veto’d at the security council if it is willing to intervene millitarily in order to protect the veto’d outcome. The PRC has veto’d sanctions on the DPRK, and has enforced that veto by increasing trade with the DPRK. The US Empire has never been stopped by a veto, such as when it was determined to stop shipping arms to Haiti, which the US subverted. China vetoing the UNSC declaration on Palestine would mean mobilizing its army to directly prevent the US’s plans for the region.
Here they are in 2020 providing aid for COVID relief in Palestine and working with Palestinians to help set up good medical care. Here they are in 2024 providing humanitarian aid, before the 100 million number. China has been a strong friend of Palestine for decades.
I don’t pretend the PRC is a fantasy, perfect version. I also don’t lie about easily verifiable claims, like saying China hasn’t sent aid.
China supports the two-state solution not as a permanent solution, but the first step to the freedom of Palestine by getting Palestine legal recognition as a state.
China is not threatening other countries, and China isn’t risking war with the west.
Overall, the idea that China is doing “nothing” for Palestine is just ultraleftism. They provide diplomatic support for statehood, send humanitarian aid, medical assistance, support Iran, are undermining imperialism and thus eroding Israel’s support base, and more. You’re acting like they are an active enemy of Palestine, rather than a steady ally that has varied in its levels of support.
They didn’t unite the resistance groups. They united themselves. China hosted them. They have been hosted by a lot of different countries. Mediating an international dispute is something all large countries (and sometimes small countries) take part in. This isn’t special and this isn’t help. Was Singapore helping the DPRK by offering to host Kim for his meeting with Trump, while at the same time participating in sanctions? No.
Yes. Is this surprising to you? I know for a fact that the Type 88 is fairly common anywhere in the world. Not hard to find. You are skirting around uncomfortable truths. There is literally no evidence for China ever providing arms to Palestinian resistance groups. Neither have they sent arms to groups whose trucks guns could accidentally fall off of.
Rare earth elements have a wide range of uses. They are used in electronics, primarily. The largest market of electronics is consumers, not militaries. There is no question that things that China do may end up benefiting Palestine in a roundabout cursory way. That is not the point of contention here. If tomorrow, Xi kicks a stone down the road, and by some large chain of events that followed eventually ends up turning the trajectory of a Pissreali missile such that it missed a building, this cannot be attributed to the good will of China.
I thought I wouldn’t have to explain this to a self proclaimed communist, but here we are. We are talking about “aid” that China provided through an organization in Jordan. Essentially, this is an organization that pledge to respect Israel’s sovereignty, that is, they do not defy blockades. And most importantly, they do not associate with organizations designated as terrorist organizations by the US, ie, Hamas. This aid package does not involve Palestinian resistance. Helping refugees in Jordan would also count towards this aid. In terms of actual material help that would reach Palestinian resistance, China has contributed nothing. The US for example, has provided 600 million in 2025 for Gaza, again, through organizations such as the UNRWA and USAID that respect Pissrael’s sovereignty. You know for a fact that this token aid means nothing when the US does it. It doesn’t mean anything when China does it either. China also funds the UNRWA by the way, which has the explicit policy of not letting Hamas have any of the humanitarian aid, ever.
Contrast this to Iran or Qatar, both of whom provide actual money to Hamas, both in the hundreds of millions. China’s aid is what we call a token aid.
China does not send aid to Hamas. This is a verifiable fact. China doesn’t send money, China doesn’t send weapons. China does engage in humanitarian aid that Pissrael allows, which almost every country on Earth also engages in.
Funny you should link this because they sent the aid to Egypt which was at the time and still is blockading Gaza against the wishes of Hamas.
Source? Or is this from your vivid imagination as well?
They why sanction the DPRK? They are able to and can militarily protect their trade with the DPRK.
The point of these resolutions were not that the US would trade with the DPRK otherwise. It was that other neutral countries, including China would. China themselves have cut trade with the DPRK because of the sanctions imposed upon the DPRK in part by China themselves. The second link I posted is proof of this. Chinese trade volume went down after the resolution. China abides by the sanctions imposed on the DPRK by the UN security council, of which China is a permanent member.
I have no idea how you think you could spin a blatant attack on a fellow socialist state as something neutral.
No it doesn’t. It would mean that the US wouldn’t have the symbolic backing of the UN, that’s all. They seek a vote in the UNSC for legitimacy. They did it in Vietnam, they did it in Korea. Catch up already, we have had 80+ years of the US-led world order already.
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It’s also not the critique that was made by the person I replied to.
I am refuting your meme independently. What you posted insinuates that what the Soviet Union did is equivalent to what China is doing now. Regardless of who you were replying to, my point stands. Mao would indeed be rolling in his grave if he saw what China was doing today on Palestine. Mao’s China would have supported Palestine in a much more substantial, material way, and indeed they did.
The People’s Republic of China must not be uncritically supported. The critical in critical support means something. Their (and everyone else’s for that matter) trade and profiting off of Palestinian misery must be condemned. Trading with an apartheid state is immoral and unethical.