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    23 days ago

    Israelis and Palestinians have a right to a peaceful home. Outsiders have no right to dictate their policy (i.e. "death to <political entity>).

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      23 days ago

      The problem is that there has already been very heavy meddeling, for as long as the Israeli state has existed. In fact, the existence of the state is a direct result of that exact outside meddling.

      It’s not exactly ‘fair’ to put someone in another’s house, give them a gun and then say “further meddling is not allowed”.

      Besides, no country can practically exist without “outside meddling”. What about international trade? If you trade with groups aligned with one side but not the other, is that meddling? What about diaspora? There’s a lot of displaced Palestinians and a lot of Jews who would both like to move into the same place. This has to be in part facilitated by the host countries, right? And there are many other small and large decision you have to make.

      What you’re asking for is:

      1. Practically impossible.
      2. Enabling an ongoing genocide (since that is, seemingly, how Israel is currently aiming to achieving “peaceful homes” for themselves).
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        23 days ago

        Many countries exist today on land formally inhabited by other people. Isn’t ongoing violence a sunk cost fallacy at some point?

        What kind of time frame are we talking about for it to become “settled” (pun intended)?

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          22 days ago

          We can argue about about how long you can squat someone’s house before it’s morally acceptable to keep living in it, and how much the crimes of the parents transfer to the children (if at all), and those are conversations that require some nuance.

          However, specifically when it comes to Israel, you have to remember that the state was established within living memory. Many of the stolen houses were stolen by people living in them right now, and they’re actively being stolen. You frame it as a completed and long past action done by our forefathers, but this isn’t really accurate. It’s an actively ongoing process, right?

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            22 days ago

            No, no, I was purely going for the other way around. What happens to the Palestinians is definitely wrong, mainly because it keeps going on right now. But why stop there?

            And then, if you continue this train is thought, everybody still wants a roof to put over their heads. “Go back to where you came from” isn’t a solution either.

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      23 days ago

      I think the intervention of other countries should exist, but mostly as humanitarian aid and peace brokerage. Not as arming one side or another.