Honestly I wonder how much of peoples belief in objective beauty startards is just marketing brain.
I think this is super inaccurate because these dudes would never say “women” while the word “females” exists
This has always been the idiot test for the Manosphere. Do I pay other men to tell me what they think women want?
If the answer to that question is yes, there is no end to the amount of stupid shit you can buy off of these men and there is definitely nothing wrong with that!
I see this sort of take a lot, and I think it falls into the same category as “Conservatives vote Republican because they’re idiots”. They’re not (necessarily) idiots, you have to accept that they have material interests that are contrary to yours because of their position in society. They might own a small plot of land, have a middle-class professional job, they might own a business or have a large retirement portfolio.
While they might confuse the two, there is a difference between “What is sexually attractive/preferable to women” and “What behavior and aesthetics will get me laid or help me subjugate a woman or girl”.
Then the equation is less focused on the preferences of women, which they consider irrelevant, and more on the efficacy of actions. “What is attractive to the sort of woman who will put up with my shitty personality and politics?”, “How can I be intimidating enough that a partner will say yes or stick with me out of fear?”, “Instead of having to build up a relationship over time, how can I pressure a woman who doesn’t know how to say no into doing what I want soon after meeting her?”
I suppose you are right, if one accepts that all some people really want in life is a scapegoat as to why their life sucks. Pickup artists will say it’s women, conservatives will say it’s trans people, brown people and women.
They are still all idiots in my book though. After all, an idiot isn’t someone who can’t become better if they wanted to, they are an idiot because they keep making an obviously bad choice for bad reasons. They won’t see it that way, but that is what they are doing.
Because the part of what you said I do not accept is that the shit pickup artists sell works. It’s entirely toxic and wrong and the only part of it that works is that it keeps telling their customers to keep trying to pick up women over and over. If you shoot hundreds of shots you will eventually hit a goal by sheer chance, but not because it was a wise, or rational, or correct course of action.
all some people really want in life is a scapegoat as to why their life sucks. Pickup artists will say it’s women, conservatives will say it’s trans people, brown people and women
I mean you can make the argument that there are some ordinary people who are not rich property owners but are cuckservative because they have some complex and just want to say “the jews/blacks/women shat my pants”.
However I’d be careful though because the core of your statement is neoliberal dogma that ignores very real structural problems and class dynamics in favor of individualism. It is a known fact that cuckservative media the world over is paid to blame minorities, women, and the left for socioeconomic problems to create false consciousness and take the heat off of the bourgeois. It is a fact that those who own small plots of land, property (enough to be a landleech), and/or a small business, are ideologically cuckservative because it serves their material interests… most of the time (
) They are definitely the enemy and need to be dealt with as such, just that they may not be “idiots” for the reasons you say. Because it is also a fact that the bourgeois have had a long history of making life more shit for everyone the world over and then blaming the working class for suffering.Tangentially, in the case of pickup artists, they, don’t necessarily blame women all the time, they mostly “blame” the guy for having a shit “approach”, whatever the fuck that means, because as you have correctly pointed out, it doesn’t work 999 out of 1000 times, so they need a way to keep their victims hooked.
Furthermore, pickup artists are only a small and increasingly rare subsection of the manosphere that have passed their heyday in the early 2000s to mid 2010s(?). Its moreso worthless guru shits like tate who functionally “teach” their scam victims I mean students about how to make a fool of themselves and/or abuse their partners.
I don’t understand your argument. The fact that these people could be allies, by and large, if we could reach them with sane arguments and change their minds is very high-minded, but also very useless in practice. These people are not going to listen, they have their mind made up and they won’t change it because we present good arguments as to why communism is good and who their real enemies are. If that was all we need to do we would have defeated capitalism long ago and these people would not be how they are in the first place. Worst case they would need to go into a reeducation camp for a time to get torn down and built back up if we had the means, but we don’t, so this is really a distinction without a difference. Also, I consider them idiots for falling for what is basically a MLM scheme.
Also you say they blame the guy: they do not, not ultimately. Of course there is a facet of ‘if you can’t do these steps to get laid then it’s a skill issue’, but that isn’t the core of it. There is even some self improvement in there telling men to get fit etc. Mostly it’s about hustle culture though which is bad and just leads directly to more grifts.
Ultimately the lesson these manosphere hustlers teach is always that women are to blame. Always. Sure there is an undertone of ‘men are scum’ in that, quite a big undertone in fact, but the worldview these people teach is that men and women just want different things from each other and are fundamentally incompatible. So you have to lie and manipulate and fuck over women if you want to get what you want. And that, according to them, is all women’s fault! if they only saw wisdom and did what men want at all times, they too would be happier, here’s some made up statistics that show women are less happy when they work a job and are allowed to go out unsupervised.
Did the woman not put out? She didn’t find you a desirable male, which is a problem with women because women only date up. Sure you are a 7 and so is she, but that means she is looking for 9s! Get better at lying!
If your pickup lines never work, it’s because you’re not good enough at fooling them.
Did she put out once and then (rightly) ghost you? She is a slut who only sleeps around, good on you for the lay though, you used that slut.
Does she keep putting out? Manipulate her because women can’t be trusted to just have feelings for a guy, they have to be lied to stay around.
Does she want to meet her friends? She is trying to talk bad about you behind your back, don’t let her! Her friends will turn her from you!
Did she leave you and is demanding alimony? She is a slut that will do that over and over and you made a mistake by marrying her in the first place! She got you!
The list is endless. The blame on men only ever boils down to them not being good enough at applying the techniques they got taught, while the blame with women lies in their very nature and being.
I have no sympathy to give to these people and I take solace in the fact that most of them will never get to procreate.
The fact that these people could be allies, by and large, if we could reach them with sane arguments and change their minds is very high-minded, but also very useless in practice.
Yes this is correct, wanting to change their minds by winning in the marketplace of ideas does not work, but that was not what I was trying to say. Cuckservatives are the enemy, especially those who own property. I was saying that the reason they are like that is “they are fucking idiots lol” but plus other things.
Also, I consider them idiots for falling for what is basically a MLM scheme.
Which group is the “them”? If its american liberals and cuckservatives who have fallen for capitalist propaganda, functionally when we inevitably interact with them on the internet I do hate them for their stupidity on an individual level too. However on a bigger picture scale the truth is that they didn’t necessarily swallow the bluepill because they were born stupid, its a combination of multiple factors including how their daily existence from birth has been one massive psyop to keep them that way, they are, to varying degrees, materially incentivized to support western america-led imperialism at home and abroad.
The list is endless. The blame on men only ever boils down to them not being good enough at applying the techniques they got taught, while the blame with women lies in their very nature and being.
The list of redpill manipulation algebra is like an instruction manual on how to be an abuser (manipulate them, cut them off from their friends, constantly lie). I understand what you mean by “blame women” here, this view posits they are fundamentally flawed so the man has to be abusive towards them (“you made me do it!!”).
Afaik the PUAs that I’ve come across in a limited way (through funny video compilations) are less harmful, like they don’t really teach a tradcon ideology about women and are just there to give their scam victims somewhat shit advice just for securing a date, such as why its good to annoy dozens of women on the street and run up escalators. Their methods are based on trying something over and over again until it works by sheer luck.
if they only saw wisdom and did what men want at all times, they too would be happier, here’s some made up statistics that show women are less happy when they work a job and are allowed to go out unsupervised
Some of this redpill/PUA stuff must be a tradcon psyop.
I have no sympathy to give to these people and I take solace in the fact that most of them will never get to procreate.
Your perfectly reasonable opinion that you are entitled to. I think the scam victims who fall for the more abusive PUA/redpill stuff are detestable bastards, definetely a threat to others if they put it into practice and should be put in re-education camps or jail or barbara pit etc. However fundamentally, the vast majority of them are victims of a bad education system and a lack of a proper social support network. The masculinity scammers themselves are a social evil that should be addressed by caning, imprisonment, and barbara pit.
You’re right though
the interesting thing is I think you can see the same but flipped for women. now it comes out way less shitty since that ends you at something like “how do I attract a long term partner who doesn’t suck shit” but it still notably revolves a lot around the patriarchial idea that as a women you need to attract a man
With how many men there are who have essentialist brainworms that get them to treat women as some monolith who all share a collective brain that grants them the exact same feelings, preferences, behaviors, and beliefs, I’m honestly not surprised. Such an approach to women (and people in general) is so laughably false that it can’t stem from anything but fearmongering from your fellow simple-minded bros.
I think women should form a hive mind as a bit
I think you should make an account called tim_mayonnaise and post non-spicy takes as a bit
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peoples belief in objective beauty startards is just marketing brain.
Ever seen stuff from the 90s and earlier where women are obsessed with not having a ‘fat ass’?
oh yea, was watching a video essay about 90s kung fu movies and it’s funny cause the men have a fully stacked bakery in their pants and the women haven’t done a single squat in their lives.
Nowadays you get the occasional “Grow your booty not your thighs!” stuff though
Think thighs save lives!
yeaaa
Based on who all the hottest girls I know are dating, skinny dudes with mustaches and glasses are what they really want.
Anyway I’m a portly fellow with 20/20
Losing weight might be hard but nothing is stopping you from wearing cosmetic glasses
Tried once but they felt funny on my face
women lust for stavros so there’s your avenue
Be funny and convert to Greek?
Well I’m not THAT portly. Also I’m not balding.
okay so I don’t think this is necessarily a negative
Maybe I just need to make fun of Adam Friedland more
no you need to emulate that relationship. this isn’t person based, you need to cultivate that type of frenemyship with someone
Well yeah but you gotta get used to them lol
Maybe.
Also even if I lost weight I’m still very broad shouldered so
Cis man here to tell you women be lovin’ broad shoulders, probably! You should get on a rowing machine and blast those shoulders 2da max
Okay but actually, There’s a profile of dude who gets laid no problem and it’s:
Soc dem bartender who drives a mom suv, wears fishing boots and a tiny beanie, has a mustache and maybe a mullet and has a name like “gunner” or “whelon” despite living in a metro area.
Honestly I wonder how much of peoples belief in objective beauty startards is just marketing brain.
Most of it I think…
according to the show adam ruins everything, the concept of “cellulite” was a psyop to body-shame women into buying a “cure” for it
Do you happen to remember the name of the episode? Would like to show this to a few friends
Apologies I completely forgot! I thought it was the hygiene one, if not then its one of the episodes in season 1, I will let you know if I remember. Otherwise the wikipedia article for cellulite has similar info in the “History” section. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellulite
That doesn’t surprise me at all.
what makes men attractive
being tall and handsome?
Here’s the secret: Those men don’t actually like women.
Wow, so many of the women in my life are completely wrong about what women find attractive. Bet they’re gonna love when I explain that to them!
I had low self-esteem fifteen to twenty years ago and I didn’t want to discuss this stuff with female friends out of a fear that my inherent awkwardness could make a discussion come across as testing the waters for hitting on them, which I saw as potentially jeopardizing friendships that were very important to me. I’m not saying that this is a valid train of thought, but I don’t think it’s inherently toxic. The problem is that it’s very normal now to seek out internet communities that will discuss advice about whatever specific thing you’re looking to improve on, and unfortunately the communities most relevant to a young boy who wants a girlfiend harbor some of the most horrific attitudes imaginable, while anyone who would be inclined to be a voice of reason will not want to spend too much of their time engaging with that garbage without obligation.
I was never really focused on sex myself, but I’m still very thankful I never heard the term “incel” until long after found a happy relationship.
Ime people like it when you test the waters about hitting on them without actually doing it because it communicates that you respect their boundaries and also that theyre hot.
There are a few ways you can pick at my past rationale, which is why I included this line:
I’m not saying that this is a valid train of thought, but I don’t think it’s inherently toxic.
