Lol this person has clearly never worked hourly
FT benefits kick in at 40 hours per week? Enjoy your 38 hours
Both work 48 hour weeks, who takes care of the baby? Who is going to give them the overtime.
His premise falls apart on its own
Actually, he does explain it in the replies.
After a year of this, the wife has a baby and works just 20 hrs a week, still at $15/hr. The husband has been promoted to store manager or higher (convenience and fast-food store chains are desperate for workers they can promote) and makes $25/hr
It’s so simple! 🙄
The amount of store manager positions is always an order of magnitude less then the lowest level jobs. 90% of people would not be promoted, because there simply isn’t any positions to be promoted to.
This something no capitalist is willing to mentally process. Every high paid job is indirectly subsidised by 9 or more underpaid jobs.
These people will really sit down and say “why doesn’t every poor paid person just decide to get promoted and thus earn more???”
Ding ding, and let’s not forget that managers are expected to work even more hours. Usually I see retail managers working over 60 hours a week. Granted it does spare your body because you get a chair and paperwork to deal with rather than back breaking lifting and hauling and walking constantly.
But most get to a supervisor position and get shit canned because they pissed off someone in corporate or they just can’t move beyond there because typically only college degrees get to manage a store or move on to corporate.
Okay in a decent state whose to say that the best paying roles arent already all taken up? Its just wild that these guys get to sit around talk and be rich while shaming people to do the shittiest fucking jobs.
What about the obscene always growing rent prices or the absurdity of owning a car, do they both have cars? Its so lame i hate it here i cannot wait to leave
You simply murder the current manager and then apply for their position. If you lack the skills to get away with murder, you can save up a few thousand dollars and hire a hitman on the dark web with bitcoin. I am a very serious economist.
hello fellow very serious economist, i didn’t realize so many of us were on the bear site. I think you’re over-achieving a bit with the hitman though, you can just get them drunk and put them behind the wheel a few times until nature takes its course.
Brilliant! The amount you save on dark web hitment will accumulate over time and you can invest those saving into bitcoin!
the wife’s 20 hrs a week isn’t enough to pay for childcare. the husband now works 60 hours a week (straight time, no OT), for 2 bucks more an hour than peons, not 10. now with ‘family’ health plan, his insurance cost has more than tripled. their combined net take-home is less than it was before. they divorce 18 months later.
he husband has been promoted to store manager or higher (convenience and fast-food store chains are desperate for workers they can promote) and makes $25/hr
This is like slaveowner fanfiction or something, in what universe is any of this true. Oh yes the slaves are yearning to be store managers working 48 hour weeks for $25/hr (which is definitely not what the store manager is making), and it’s just so easy to do, all you have to do is want to be the store manager and in 1 year you are! It’s just so easy!
I work in a factory so maybe it’s different for grocery stores, but, my team lead makes $2/hr more than me. That seems more likely after one fucking year - except I think getting there took him three lol
When I worked construction with my brother in law, he was making about $2 more an hour than me, despite being in construction for his entire adult life. He was basically a foreman and I had started that summer. This was over 15 years ago, but still that’s not a justifiable difference with his experience and responsibilities.
Who the fuck is getting a $10/hour pay bump as a manager?
And like, taxes. Though maybe he could use it to argue there should be no tax. Which would be great IMO, as it would further delegitimize the US dollar and accelerate empire collapse.
But its definitely just hogwash
Just hire a nanny at a slightly lower cost than you bring home from renting out your uterus to a barren white PMC couple. Rent out your bathtub. Another tip is to sell a kidney for a quick cash injection into the household, or you put that into a global index fund at a 7% return (guaranteed). When the child is old enough you can start harvesting it for blood. It’s just snowballs from here. Before you know it you’re living large on a passive income.
There, I just gave you four income streams. Stop blaming capitalism for your problems.
I work retail and make 22 bucks an hour. It’s fine. I get by with assistance from a partner. I don’t think I’ll ever own a house.
But there’s no way in hell you ever get 48 hours. You can’t get 38 hours. Hell I’m lucky if I get 30 hours. I do get benefits. Because we have union.
48 hours a week retail will break your body. You’re either standing not moving at all and that fucks you. Or youre stocking shelves with giant ass heavy shit bending down to uncomfortable stances and ruining your knees, back, shoulders and probably something else. It is not an easy job physically.
nursing tendonitis in my rotator cuff right now from the second thing. and i’m a big strong girl. from working 45-48 hr weeks for the last couple months. had to call out (i very rarely do, like once every few years at most)
no sympathy, no compromise. also sometimes if you are considered a “high performer” you have to make a statement.
i think everyone might be ready to sign union cards in a few more months
Reminds me of working in a grocery warehouse when covid hit. Mandatory 12 hour shifts for a 60 hour work week. And if they were feeling nice, they’d get a couple of boxes of Lunchables to give to employees on break. And that was with a union.
Oh and then I got shitcanned because I was getting a good bit of tendinitis, so they make me go to the employee doctor. They made me take a drug test even though I shouldn’t have taken one because of the nature of my injury. Then I got fired for THC in my system in a legal cannabis state.
My union steward who when I first met him told me “management are cops, im your lawyer, don’t say shit to cops” had gotten a promotion and decided he liked management after that.
yeah that’s the reason why i never declare them workplace injuries. just “repetitive stress” which isn’t covered in my state.
god that shit sucks with them popping you (also in legal state myself). i went through covid too about the same (like 40+ continuous days). i was a manager myself at the time, newly minted. i decided i was going to step down eventually even if it ended up taking a few years
no union but i will say i was the least cop-like manager. used to tell my crew if they wanted to unionize I would immediately step down and assist so not to get in trouble with NLRB. radicalized my entire team.
now I know all the inside shit and procedures and anti-union talking points so I’m probably more dangerous as a “respected former manager”.
Oh totally a good lesson for me in yet another way the system can and will fuck you over.
Always good to get more knowledge and use it to take these behemoths down.
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Which grocery store is giving 40h weeks and benefits
only the unionized ones around me, at any rate
Unionized or employee owned ones like Winco or Costco, but those jobs are hard to land
And only in more progressive areas.
what the fuck is this 48 hour workweek shit, asshole? it’s 40 and even that’s too much.
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(2) After a year of this, the wife has a baby and works just 20 hrs a week, still at $15/hr. The husband has been promoted to store manager or higher (convenience and fast-food store chains are desperate for workers they can promote) and makes $25/hr.
ah yes, because everyone can be promoted to store manager, it’s not like you have one manager to a bunch of non-managers.
ah yes, because everyone can be promoted to store manager, it’s not like you have one manager to a bunch of non-managers.
Oh, you think everyone should be allowed to survive and have dignity? Have you considered ruthlessly competing and clawing out a meager little shred of power administering a portion of the petty fief of a local landowner instead?
This is the guy who co-authored The Bell Curve btw.
How about we strap him to a bell and curve him into the ocean?
Oh, the Nazi
Great.
Roll out the gallows
Oh shit they’re still around? You’d think those fucks would have been shunned for writing the most racist book since the Turner Diaries.
Back in the 50s in the newly established Eastern Bloc countries the communists forced (ex-)aristocrats to live as peasants for a few years.
They still complain about it.
both work 48-hour weeks
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaha
it really depends on where you are. i can’t escape OT no matter how hard i tell them i want to
Even with a job where you sit on your ass all day you will eventually burn out. All it takes is one stressful project.
But then you take into account both the emotional and physical labor retail takes and hahahahaha yeah that’s jokerfying shit right there.
In 20 states, the minimum wage is $7.25. The overwhelming majority of entry-level full-time jobs discourage working overtime to avoid having to pay overtime rates. The husband and wife each have five (5) days off per year, working a total of 2040 hours for a gross joint pre-tax income of $29,580.
Assuming combined state and federal taxes of nearly 17% (10-11% federal and 5-6% state), their after-tax income is $24,000. They each need their own car to go to work. Assuming a cheap sedan costs a bare-minimum $4000 per year to own and operate, after transportation they have $16,000. Rent and utilities for a 2-bedroom trailer are about $750 a month, or $9000 a year. Before food and healthcare, this couple has $7000 a year left over.
They’re going to need food banks, housing subsidies, plasma donations, and good luck just to manage to save $5000 a year between them.
And if you want a baby daycare blows all that math to pieces.
Pull yourself up by your boot straps and take your baby to work. Quit being lazy.
TIL “no benefits” is “pretty good benefits”.
Falls apart immediately at 48 hour work week
How about 15 hour work week and the business must adjust the pay rate to make it equivalent to the amount paid for 48 hours.
Aka pay $48/hr
Now we’re cooking on some shit!
48 hour workweek at $15 an hour
15 hour workweek at $48 an hour
The Bell Curve asshole being confused why poor people aren’t all making $75k a year and starting nuclear families in nice little suburbs goes a long way to (a) explaining how he could write The Bell Curve in the first place and (b) demonstrating he has learned precisely nothing since writing The Bell Curve.
Murray thinks it’s easy because he’s had wealthy right wing patrons to pay a cushy salary for promulgating scholarship that rightly should’ve gotten him drummed out of academia.
How his whole work didn’t get discredited as an obvious conflict of interest is beyond me.
Oh look, another cracker with some bullshit fabrication on why he’s better than everyone else and should therefore get special treatment. How original.
america is 95% young married couples eager to be walmart managers, and 5% old racist bastards who made money by writing racist books according to charles here.
