This state was literally concocted so slavers could violently enforce their disgusting privilege.
This is what fascism is. This kid is a real american.
And the child of a cop.
Can’t wait to hear them say “well he donated $5 to the democratic party 10 eyars ago”
He once made a tweet that vaguely criticised a Conservative figure. wOkE aGeNdA KiLLs AgAIn
They’re asking if he was on anti-depressants. Everyone else is a murderer, terrorist, what have you. When it’s one of theirs? Just a misguided kid on SSRIs.
Tbf, it’s a common conspiracy theory that all of them (or at least a significant portion) are on SSRIs. I think it comes from a mix of
A. Some of them were iirc, but I’m not sure who. It’s also possible it just was used as an excuse by a parent, or kid who didn’t die in their shooting.
B. Simply just the fast part of the commercials that says “if you are experiencing suicidal or homicidal ideation while taking lexapro, talk to your doctor immediately…” and then people being people, that gets extrapolated into “the shooters are on SSRIs and this is why it happens.” People are searching for answers as to the underlying causes, on both sides of the “gun bad” and “gun good” debate, the same way some focus on “if we got rid of guns” those that know “well my gun doesn’t make me want to shoot up schools so it isn’t the guns” but have never taken SSRIs might be more apt to blame the thing they’re less familiar with, for instance.
C. Afaik, it hasn’t actually been studied very well and actually could play a role in at least some of the incidents, but we don’t “know.” First of all, I think HIPAA presents some challenges in studying this, as I think even prisoners have the right to medical privacy. And on top of that I wouldn’t be surprised to learn Big Pharma’s lobbyists are hard at work making sure this is not well studied to the best of their ability, it’s kinda just their MO to the degree I’d be surprised if they weren’t doing that. Our pharma lobby is just as bad as tobacco about that, if not worse.
Personally, I’d actually like to see this possible link or lack thereof studied in depth myself, if for no other reason than to quell the conspiracy theory, or if a link is found then maybe we can do something about that, I think only good can come from at least just studying it.
The few studies that I have seen actually suggest there may actually be a link, but I don’t know exactly how rigorous those were or if it’s enough to indicate causation rather than simply correlation, and it’s not specific to active shooters but simply “violent crime” (of which shootings are obviously one, but it could be “increased risk of simple assault, but not murder” without narrowing it down, who knows.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4570770/
With age and sex stratification, there was a significant association between SSRIs and violent crime convictions for males aged 15 to 24 y (HR = 1.40, 95% CI 1.13–1.73, p = 0.002) and females aged 15 to 24 y (HR = 1.75, 95% CI 1.08–2.84, p = 0.023). However, there were no significant associations in those aged 25 y or older.
Seems to suggest to me that at the ages these (typically male) shooters usually are, there actually may be a significant enough percentage to suggest a possible causation? I’d still like to see it studied further though, especially if it can be a study specifically regarding active shooter incidents, and also I’d like to know if “was taking them and stopped” plays a role over “is taking them currently” or vice versa. I think it’s at least worth a look, especially considering this study itself concludes:
The increased risk we found in young people needs validation in other studies.
Contrast with keying a car and being labeled a terrorist. By scratching a cybertruck, you become an enemy of the state—something a republican school shooter could never dream of.
They just aren’t bad enough
Or they find a post where he said something nice about Bernie Sanders.
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Who could have seen this coming
Young white men are being indoctrinated with 24/7 propaganda telling them they are the real victims
What/Where is this propaganda?
Its the lifeblood of the Conservative Propaganda Machine.
You must be a victim.
Check Adolescence https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/adolescence for a drama on the topic.
Warning: VERY dramatic.
Social media, podcasts and media
I’m sorry, I try to keep my media intake low, but what is being said that makes these white men feel like victims? Or, portraying them as the victim?
USA is a nonstop racist shithole. You haven’t noticed? Probably part of the problem.
Troll
It’s only offensive because It is something I don’t fully grasp. not a troll.
Even if you were a troll, your questions are worth asking. All the reactionary downvoting and accusations are because you made them have to think about their position so they get defensive and echo their aggregated hate. I wonder if they also espouse the lack of empathy of the other party. Imagine the hypocrisy.
No “empathy” for fascism.
Are you really fully unaware of incels, the manosphere, and the alt-right pipeline? This shit is all over social media.
There’s a strong encouragement for men to fall into this “redpill” philosophy that casts everyone who doesn’t look like them, especially anyone who ends up on the less-privileged end of any measure of intersectional privilege, as an aggressor attempting to steal their place in society and “replace” them.
Have you heard anyone complaining about how you can’t make jokes anymore or can’t compliment women anymore? They’re echoing a hallucination of white male oppression by queer feminist socialists. In response they elected Trump and spend their days rumbling around in their massive coal-rolling pickup trucks that have never seen a speck of dirt or a heavier load than a few groceries or maybe a couch.
What’s the point of bringing this weird, condescending Reddit energy to what seems to be a genuine question?
Not everyone lives on the internet, not everyone knows what an incel is, or who Andrew Tate is or what a manosphere is. Why not just answer the question normally? Holy fucking moly.
In response they elected Trump
Young incel type white guys did? I thought most of them didn’t even bother to turn up. Look fuck the extremisation of the yutes through social media, it’s genuinely awful and will likely have long lasting effects but we can’t put the blame on them for all the ails in the world without recognizing that a lot of different segments of our population are fucking up right now and are in some small part contributing to more people being alienated from the left. You have to at least admit that it’s a little ironic to say that they’re imagining everything while also seemingly putting electing Trump solely on them. It’s ultimately counter productive in the long run.
It’s weird… cuz, even if there is a bias against white men, its still white men that rule the most of the world and have all the money, and run the major corporations. But white men feel like they’re getting replaced?
On the other hand, America has always been a mix, but always had a strong foundation of white men, and it does feel like that base might be changing. Something is changing
People are becoming educated about the myth of racism and the privilege bestowed on pale skins by racism.
I see you’ve never heard of Fox News.
What if one doesn’t watch fox news?
He’s probably getting a pardon and an ice position
And ice cream with the cops
He was one of the “homegrowns”. Any bets on him going to CECOT?
i’d bet against that…
Nah, he’ll become a brownshirt.
Agreed they’ll have him pardoned, kidnapping people and dragging them into unmarked cars as soon as possible
You mean silver shirt?
With a golden Trump pin
They were saying he was an illegal all over MAGAtard social media. Until the facts came out. Then they started deleting in mass to cover up their lies.
The truth was busy putting it’s shoes on.
Not gonna lie I thought your username was Copaganda at first.
No, I do not have dyslexia lol
I like that. I’m def going to use it.
“En masse”.
Which is French for in mass.
Unfortunately, you’ve misunderstood the nuanced meaning that the phrase “en masse” has acquired in the English language:
Cambridge Dictionary: En Masse
However, you can take comfort in knowing that you are not alone in this misunderstanding:
No I understand what en masse means. I just don’t subscribe to your inflexible interpretation.
Language is a tool for communication. It’s for the masses, not something to be gate kept or preserved by the priests of lingual orthodoxy. If the words you use convey the intended meaning to the listener, then the wording is adequate.
If everyone’s use of language was as rigid as the people insisting we can only use the phrases as they existed when they were imported to an English court by a Norman conqueror a thousand years ago, then we’d all still be communicating by banging rocks together and grunting. The English language evolves every day. It’s alive.
Ok but the argument is that it might not “convey the intended meaning to the listener” because ‘in mass’ can mean multiple things in English, whereas in French ‘en masse’ specifically means ‘as a group’. It’s not a linguistic purity thing it’s literally just to prevent misinterpretation.
edit: You can’t say “English is an evolving language” and then ignore the evolution in the phrase being carried over in the first place. If there was no reason for it then we’d still just be using the English term or, “banging rocks together and grunting” as you put it.
Nobody here misinterpreted it except the purists who did it intentionally to troll, show off and talk down to people.
Big “I just like saying Valentimes” energy
Ok.
Le niceeeeee
I was recently thinking it’s says a lot about a culture, where kids shoot up schools regularly, but immigrants getting a terrible treatment never seem to shoot up an ICE office or other government building.
People in US culture want to think this is a product of white christian men getting hurt and isolated to the point that the poor innocent souls wander into committing a school shooting.
The negative mental health is only part of the equation and isn’t even critical to it, what IS critical is teaching christian white men that they have the inherent right given who they are to commit violence and nobody else does.
This is why you see that “incongruity”.
I think both are part of the same culture to be honest, they are just in very different positions both pushed to an extreme situation (the kids shooting up schools and the government officials threating immigrants like crap). Personally I believe you get what you give and this is the result of a society that is getting what it has been giving (or not giving, really). Really sad situation where a lot of people get way less than they deserve (the parents of the killed kids, the children of the deported families etc)
I was looking for that image!
“He’s just a bad apple”
“Lone wolf”
“Let’s talk about mental health”
Bad apple from the 250-year-old Southern Orchard.
“Okay, what can we do for mental health?”
“Nothing or genocide/restablish the patriarchy, fuck you lib”
“He should have gotten a job with health insurance so he can afford therapy!”
“We need Jesus in schools!”
No joke, I’ve heard people say that exact thing in response. That taking God out of schools is what started all this, so if there was more prayer in school, we wouldn’t have shootings.
Yeah, because nobody does mass shootings in religious places.
The poor kid was clearly driven insane by the wokeness surrounding them. Better ban pronouns.
Unironically how millions of people in America see the world.
Yep. I bet the poor man once saw a trans person when using a public bathroom and was TRAUMATISED
This is a weird way for me to find out about another shooting
It wasn’t as bad as some (2 dead, 6 injured).
He originally started with a shotgun but it jammed without firing a shot. He grabbed a pistol from his vehicle and fired into the bystanders.
Police were on scene quickly (FSU is always crawling with plain clothes officers and unmarked cars) and shot and wounded the shooter.
Oh, what a fucked up world we live in that we see a school shooting as “not so bad, all things considered”…
It’s only “not so bad” in America.
‘No Way to Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
There is a really fucked up silver lining to this which is every nation not the USA can point to the USA whenever someone wants to loosen gun regulations. In a twisted way the US might be helping other nations by being such a “good” (bad) example.
Absolutely! I’m not in Germany but I hope they can use the US as an example of what not to do and absolutely destroy the AfD before it reaches critical mass.
Politicians around the word: we need to ban guns and assault rifles.
US policy makers: we need to tell the good guys they need to
buycarry a gun.Plenty of countries have lots of guns. Virtually none of them have any significant number of mass terror shootings, even the ones with otherwise high rates of gun violence.
America is built different.
The rethoric of the people in power seems different, but I don"t know enough of other countries with lots of guns.
If that happened in my country it would be huge news and all anyone in the country would talk about for weeks.
This is America. Don’t catch you slippin’.
It would appear that we have standardized school shootings here in the States.
This one wasn’t that bad. Remember that other one?
You going to catch The Game later?
That pistol he grabbed from the vehicle…
…was his Mom’s old service pistol.
His Mom was a school resource officer and later deputized into the Leon County Sheriffs.
https://www.newsweek.com/fsu-shooter-leon-county-deputy-phoenix-jessica-ikner-2061301
In a news conference hours after the first reports of the active shooting were announced, Leon County Sheriff Walt McNeil identified the suspect.
“The shooter is 20-year-old Phoenix Ikner … and he is the son of a Leon County sheriff’s deputy,” McNeil said.
…
According to Revell during the news conference, Jessica Ikner [the shooter’s mother] is a school resource officer in Leon County. The county sheriff’s office website lists her as a “middle schools deputy.”
Deputy Ikner was awarded law enforcement employee of the month in March 2024, the sheriff’s office posted on Facebook.
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[The Shooter] was “a long-standing member” of the Leon County Sheriff’s Office Youth Advisory Council, McNeil said during the news conference.
“He has been steep in the Leon County Sheriff’s Office Family,” McNeil said, adding that it is “not a surprise” that Ikner had access to weapons.
…
(apologies for possibly paywalled link, try internet archive if its blocked for you)
Phoenix Ikner, a 20-year-old son of a sheriff’s deputy whom police accuse of using his mother’s gun, is in police custody after being identified as a suspect in a shooting on Florida State University’s campus Thursday, which killed two people and injured at least six others.
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Jessica Ikner, a beloved Raa Middle School student resource deputy, was the 2023 law enforcement officer of the year with the Leon County Sheriff’s Office.
She also practiced shooting with her stepson, Phoenix, at a firing range, but “not in an official capacity,” according to LCSO.
…
Yeah so this guy was trained to shoot by his armed-with-a-firearm, middle school guard / county deputy mom, and he then took his mom’s service pistol to shoot up his own school/uni.
I can’t find more details on the shotgun, but it could also be the case that that is or was a service weapon as well… but that is barely informed speculation on my part, I just know that a lot of US cops also have a shotgun in their cruiser.
The headline is using ‘was’ as a weasel word.
They know it’ll be click bait because it will be read as:
“The weapon used is a weapon that is the service weapon of a deputy”, and not:
“At one point, in the past, the weapon used was a service weapon but isn’t any longer”.
Him using a service weapon implies that there was a lapse of security on his mother’s part. That’s why it’s being mentioned in the way that it is because, if it were true, it would be outrageous.
The fact that an adult Florida man was able to access privately owned firearms isn’t news. But making it seem scandalous by implying that he killed people with a weapon issued as the service weapon of an active duty cop gets clicks.
The shotgun story is based on first hand accounts that I’ve heard from the FSU students that I work with. I’m obviously just a random Internet person, so don’t believe it until you see other sources.
FSU is always crawling with plain clothes officers and unmarked cars
Wait what the fuck?
I’ve seen a full on homeless man, with dreadlocks and scruffy blanket (urban Ghillie suit) sitting outside of a Waffle House. The local clubs were letting out and there were gunshots in the parking lot.
Dude stood up and radioed in shots fired and pulled an AR from the bag he was sitting on.
Tons of unmarked cars around campus with lights mounted in the grill and illegally tinted windows.
It’s a heavy security presence that you wouldn’t notice unless you were around it a lot.
We really are a police state.
Local law enforcement was having a training session very close by. That and the fact the shooter was the son of a Sherrif deputy are the reasons you could hear them blowing themselves over their fast response the whole time. Not that the fucker was putting up all the red flags for fucking years while being heavily involved in local law enforcement and constantly around guns.
Not that the fucker was putting up all the red flags for fucking years while being heavily involved in local law enforcement and constantly around guns.
There is a reason DeSantis & the fascists in the Florida legislature are about to get rid of the red flag laws.
“Homegrown criminal” off to El Salvador with you! Right Donny? Right?!
Curious that this is still happening even though Musk has killed the woke mind virus and these guys have won forever.
