I think a greater problem is that some of them actually are. In this case, they’ll know more than the average citizen about a given issue, with a certain understanding of the nuance and complexity that the citizen, with mainly just access to major media, lacks. This makes their decisions look strange to us, in the same way someone might wonder “why did the engineer design this this way? makes no sense to me.”
Additionally, since they’re also knowledgeable about a lot of other considerations, they’ll have to balance them against each other, where even a highly-knowledgeable specialist might not fully understand the reasons something cannot be done yet.
Lastly, they have to win re-election, so they have to balance all of that against normal people’s perceptions and ignorant opinions. All this balancing is going to naturally make them seem very out-of-touch with an average citizen.
And that’s just any good ones. You also have plenty of crazy ideologues running around these days, that actually want to undermine democracy and seize greater power, or want some unchecked laissez-faire system or whatever. People whose faith has blinded them to reason and rationality.
All that said, politics has always been messy and ugly, that’s inherent. The only alternatives open the door for unchecked corruption to run things, like Russia deals with. As Churchill said, democracy is terrible. It’s just that everything else is a lot worse.
Note, I said “some”. If you think they are all terrible, you’ve likely been propagandized. I also said they’re jacks-of-all-trades, I never said they know more than a specialist about that specialist’s field. This is why they need to consult specialists. What they do know is things outside of that specialist’s field. Say, they know more about governmental budgeting than a doctor would. They know more about medicine than an economist would.
And again, some. They’re not all the same, that’s a gross and inaccurate oversimplification based on emotion.
I don’t think its glamorizing to point out some of the nuances in the job itself. And they’re not all in some grand conspiracy or something. You can understand why a good one believes as they do, if you put in the work. You just need to learn enough about the issue to become somewhat fluent in it. Say, covid vaccines or something.
Real information, though, not just emotionally-digestible good-sounding information. It takes actual hard work, like classroom-style.
That’s why I just explained that you can understand exactly why they have the positions they do, if you simply put in the work to do so. We run into trouble, however, when people try to understand without putting in that hard work.
Then people begin to just apply blanket assumptions across the whole profession, like “politicians bad” or whatever. In real life, nothing is quite that simple.
But to really “get it”, you need to pay quite a lot of attention to voting patterns, as well as work to understand whatever issue is important to you. A good politician, which do exist, has done that work. A citizen that does not will not necessarily understand it, however.
You’ve mischaracterized me several times now. I think the reason that is happening is because I’m challenging a worldview that you hold. Not because I am actually doing any of the things you claim.
Lastly, Einstein’s Relativity in both its forms is extremely misunderstood. People think they get it, but they’re just wrong. Really understanding it comes in around 2nd-3rd year of college level physics. It’s not E=mc^2, that’s pop science. When it comes to a politician, they can spend their time teaching you, which is really the job of a teacher, or they can spend their time teaching themselves what is necessary to do their jobs.
It’s easy to wish for the world to be simple, like in a video game or movie. But its really horrendously complicated, just about all the time. You can understand this yourself, if you put in the degree of hard work that is necessary. Economics? Complicated as fuck. Geopolitics? Complicated as fuck. Psychology? Complicated as fuck. It is not your politicians’ jobs to teach you these things, that’s the job of university professors, mainly.
I’m not assuming anything. I have a broad knowledge base that I put a lot of work in for, over a lot of years, and I like a handful of politicians that vote as I believe a knowledgeable person should vote. I’m not “guessing” like some random kid would need to. I’m not using my feelings.
I’m against trickle-down-economics, for instance, because I’ve spent hours and hours poring through really dry, boring shit. So I don’t need to guess that it boosts corporate profits in the short term, but does not measurably improve life for the working class.
I don’t need to assume anything, because I put in work a long time ago.
When it comes to something I don’t understand as well, say, global trade, I just don’t keep a strong opinion. Then I vote based on those things I understand. Feelings and assumptions and trust don’t belong in politics. Facts and hard work and not having an undeserved opinion are what belong.
Note, I’ve never asked you to assume politicians are good or something, have I? I’ve simply described the necessities of the job. But you really didn’t like that I guess, you maybe think “a normal guy” could do better? And no “normal people” ever run or something?
I think a greater problem is that some of them actually are. In this case, they’ll know more than the average citizen about a given issue, with a certain understanding of the nuance and complexity that the citizen, with mainly just access to major media, lacks. This makes their decisions look strange to us, in the same way someone might wonder “why did the engineer design this this way? makes no sense to me.”
Additionally, since they’re also knowledgeable about a lot of other considerations, they’ll have to balance them against each other, where even a highly-knowledgeable specialist might not fully understand the reasons something cannot be done yet.
Lastly, they have to win re-election, so they have to balance all of that against normal people’s perceptions and ignorant opinions. All this balancing is going to naturally make them seem very out-of-touch with an average citizen.
And that’s just any good ones. You also have plenty of crazy ideologues running around these days, that actually want to undermine democracy and seize greater power, or want some unchecked laissez-faire system or whatever. People whose faith has blinded them to reason and rationality.
All that said, politics has always been messy and ugly, that’s inherent. The only alternatives open the door for unchecked corruption to run things, like Russia deals with. As Churchill said, democracy is terrible. It’s just that everything else is a lot worse.
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Note, I said “some”. If you think they are all terrible, you’ve likely been propagandized. I also said they’re jacks-of-all-trades, I never said they know more than a specialist about that specialist’s field. This is why they need to consult specialists. What they do know is things outside of that specialist’s field. Say, they know more about governmental budgeting than a doctor would. They know more about medicine than an economist would.
And again, some. They’re not all the same, that’s a gross and inaccurate oversimplification based on emotion.
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I don’t think its glamorizing to point out some of the nuances in the job itself. And they’re not all in some grand conspiracy or something. You can understand why a good one believes as they do, if you put in the work. You just need to learn enough about the issue to become somewhat fluent in it. Say, covid vaccines or something.
Real information, though, not just emotionally-digestible good-sounding information. It takes actual hard work, like classroom-style.
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That’s why I just explained that you can understand exactly why they have the positions they do, if you simply put in the work to do so. We run into trouble, however, when people try to understand without putting in that hard work.
Then people begin to just apply blanket assumptions across the whole profession, like “politicians bad” or whatever. In real life, nothing is quite that simple.
But to really “get it”, you need to pay quite a lot of attention to voting patterns, as well as work to understand whatever issue is important to you. A good politician, which do exist, has done that work. A citizen that does not will not necessarily understand it, however.
You’ve mischaracterized me several times now. I think the reason that is happening is because I’m challenging a worldview that you hold. Not because I am actually doing any of the things you claim.
Lastly, Einstein’s Relativity in both its forms is extremely misunderstood. People think they get it, but they’re just wrong. Really understanding it comes in around 2nd-3rd year of college level physics. It’s not E=mc^2, that’s pop science. When it comes to a politician, they can spend their time teaching you, which is really the job of a teacher, or they can spend their time teaching themselves what is necessary to do their jobs.
It’s easy to wish for the world to be simple, like in a video game or movie. But its really horrendously complicated, just about all the time. You can understand this yourself, if you put in the degree of hard work that is necessary. Economics? Complicated as fuck. Geopolitics? Complicated as fuck. Psychology? Complicated as fuck. It is not your politicians’ jobs to teach you these things, that’s the job of university professors, mainly.
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I’m not assuming anything. I have a broad knowledge base that I put a lot of work in for, over a lot of years, and I like a handful of politicians that vote as I believe a knowledgeable person should vote. I’m not “guessing” like some random kid would need to. I’m not using my feelings.
I’m against trickle-down-economics, for instance, because I’ve spent hours and hours poring through really dry, boring shit. So I don’t need to guess that it boosts corporate profits in the short term, but does not measurably improve life for the working class.
I don’t need to assume anything, because I put in work a long time ago.
When it comes to something I don’t understand as well, say, global trade, I just don’t keep a strong opinion. Then I vote based on those things I understand. Feelings and assumptions and trust don’t belong in politics. Facts and hard work and not having an undeserved opinion are what belong.
Note, I’ve never asked you to assume politicians are good or something, have I? I’ve simply described the necessities of the job. But you really didn’t like that I guess, you maybe think “a normal guy” could do better? And no “normal people” ever run or something?