• bjc
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    18 hours ago

    i’m already keeping them off the wider internet. that’s not the point. the point is that even if i do that, society as a whole makes it very, very difficult.

    i’m not saying anyone should give a website id. one of the major things i repeat is: “never give a website a face or an id”

    but the idea that it’s just reactionary “omg my kids can’t see boobs” is flat out wrong. the internet is a dangerous place for everyone, but especially children. pretending it’s not is hiding your head in the sand. at the same time as it is incredibly dangerous, basically all the forces of modern society are trying to force our children on to it.

    this is a battle i fight daily, and have been fighting for many years, and i’m tired of people trying to pretend it’s simple when it is anything but.

    you are not going to win over people rightly concerned about their kids by telling them it’s actually simple when it isn’t. you’re going to drive them away.

    you want to tackle this, you have to acknowledge reality, and that reality is that on the internet, your children are prey.

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      17 hours ago

      That is what you signed up for when having a child. The way society in general is not doing the right thing doesn’t matter.

      There are better ways to mitigate the dangers of the internet other than the literal worst option, blanket ID for internet access. Which is what we really know is coming, which is why they are fighting so hard to pass it every other week it seems.

      Look at what they do for kids already and ask yourself if you truly find them to be doing this in the best interests of the parents or the kids?

      This will lead to darker roads for everyone. It’s not my fault, or your fault, that people don’t know how to raise children in the modern era.

      How about the government bring back computer classes and make material on what you are saying? That would be the simpler approach, right? Educate everyone on HOW to navigate the web?

      But no. Let’s always go with the worst option, because it’s really NOT about the kids.

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        17 hours ago

        you need to re-read everything i wrote because you clearly did not understand it when i twice said that i don’t want id verification. you’re not arguing with me, you’re arguing with someone else in your head

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          you are not going to win over people rightly concerned about their kids by telling them it’s actually simple when it isn’t. you’re going to drive them away.

          This is you saying you want this.

          There’s one thing I agree with, it’s not about protecting kids from boobs. It’s about completely eliminating anonymity from the Internet, while acquiring a massive database of personal information, easily tied to websites you visit, and easily leakable by hackers.

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            6 hours ago

            This is you saying you want this.

            yes. does that say “we need age verification”? it says we need to acknowledge legitimate issues if we’re to have any hope at consensus.

            age verification is not the answer, it’s just the only one being proffered… you want to make this go away? find a better answer to the problem and espouse that.

            here’s a small one: no use of internet connected laptops for school work since that is widespread and directly undermines a parent’s ability to keep tabs on their kids.

            the answer is not “you’re just a prude afraid of boobs, loser.” that’s how you drive people to the right wing, because at least those guys are saying “the internet is dangerous for kids.” and that’s how you end up in the funnel.

            eta: sorry about the insult if you saw it. it had no place here