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  • A people's liberation event in 50 years is really all you pro-US-imperialists have to point to as for how evil and militaristic china is. You guys are laughable.

  • Thank you for proving me right by bringing as your utmost evidence BBC (the unbiased source that uses the grey "China filter" on videos) reports that "some countries are purportedly sad because of a map". Really, very telling that that's the best you've got. In the meanwhile, NATO bombed Yugoslavia and Libya, and the US outright invaded Iraq and Afghanistan to name just a select few.

    You guys are unbelievable.

  • (Believe it or not, arguing that they like being conquered and colonized doesn't mean they weren't conquered and colonized.)

    "The right of self-determination is only relevant when it's bad for China :("

    Tibet was a literal feudal state with absolutist power, where Tibetans worked the land as serfs for their feudal lords as they were legally tied to it. The liberation army liberated the Tibetans from their feudal yoke in a non-colonial way (we can get into the details if you want to).

    None of those places were conquered within living memory, the thing you said China doesn't do.

    Ok, hopefully we'll stop hearing the imperialists cry about how much better Tibet was under feudalism in 20 years, when it's no longer living memory.

  • Please tell me you have a reliable source on the number of Tibetans in Tibet that want independence from China.

    Let's then compare that to Catalonians in Spain, or to Quebec nationals in Canada, or to indigenous colonies in the US

  • So basically "China bad because future china bad source: trust me bro"?

  • Please tell me of China's military expansionist tradition over the past 50 years

  • That pedophile can honestly suck me

  • what's preventing China from just taking ALL of Russia

    The same thing that's made china not have an overt military conflict for the past half century: they're not a militaristic, expansionist country. I know that's inconceivable for bloodthirsty Americans, but really, give it a thought, which country has participated in more overt conflicts in the past half century.

  • The USSR and Cuba are much more desirable than the short-lived wannabe socialist regime that led to Pinochet's dictatorship, yes, how do you not see this?

  • USSR lasted much longer than Allende's project, and Cuba is still ongoing

  • Fully aware, that's why I reject blaming the individuals as opposed to the system

  • He is not taking a Marxist position

    Precisely that's why it's taken him 80 years longer than Marxists to reach that conclusion.

    Not every criticism of Capitalism is an endorsement of Marxism

    Which is why non-marxist anti-capitalist movements such as Salvador Allende's socialism in Chile, or Mosaddegh's Iran, inevitably fail within a few years due to the lack of understanding of class struggle and the history of capitalism.

  • You are assuming that a country cannot improve its growth because of past and its success it determined purely by past events

    Nothing like that. I'm saying that industrialization is a gradual and long process, and by pure logic, some countries which started to industrialize 100+ years before others, had the advantage.

    By the way, this “theory” completely falls apart when you look at Germany. Before they were one state, then divided and after communism fell, they re-united. After the berlin wall fell, eastern part was in a far worse condition.

    Far-worse condition by which metric? Sure, it was less developed industrially and economically (see my point about not participating in colonialism, which you don't seem to care about), but there was no unemployment and there was guaranteed housing for everyone. There were fewer, and worse quality, consumer goods, but is that how you determine the success of a system?

    Regarding colonialism and unequal exchange, you don't seem to understand how important an effect it has. Importing cheap raw materials and exporting high added-value manufactured goods, is the most profitable thing you can do, but it implies unequal exchange, which drains the resources and labour of poorer countries and exploits them. If you're interested at all in the development of the economies of countries, you really should look into, and try to understand, the concept of unequal exchange. Otherwise, it's like saying "wow Rome was so powerful in 200BC" while ignoring that like half the workforce were literal slaves.

  • By the nine divines... Why does it take libs 80 years extra to reach the conclusions that Marxists have already described in detail in the last century...

  • What you're saying is at best debatable, and it's definitely not consensus in academia. Feudalism is substantially and fundamentally different from capitalism. Serfs worked the land not based on free contracts for a wage selling their labour as a commodity, but rather legally bound to their lord's land. Access to consumer goods wasn't through purchase as commodities in a free market, but through self-production and barter/debt within small communities. Peasants worked the land with their own means of production and made their own tools with their own means of production, and generally people weren't hired working other people's means of production.

    Class struggle has existed for millennia, but capitalism is just the current predominant system of class struggle because through industrial development it overpowers preexisting systems that weren't capitalist.

  • That's not necessarily true, many supposedly democratic regimes consistently pass unpopular policy and don't pass popular policy. E.g. welfare state cuts to expenditure in education, healthcare and pensions in post-2008 EU, or the lack of progressive policy in USA healthcare.

    It's precisely this ignoring of the popular will that turns people to fascism

  • Fascism was maintained in several European countries way beyond 1940s, such as my homeland Spain. There were also fascist regimes after WW2 outside Europe, such as in Chile or arguably in South Korea and Taiwan.

  • Nazism is a flavour of fascism. They're not "differences", they're technicalities